JoeQuince Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 That's what I thought, auditioning for the next Karate Kid movie . You're not enjoying your karate, Daniel-san! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chalkpie Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 The only thing better would be if the camera slowly pans left from Martinez and Van Gaal is right next to him getting down (and possibly dressed in drag). OK, but its still pretty good, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 5 points off 5th. Just sayin... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 Looks like he is prepared to learn.... That's all I wanted to see. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 5 points off 5th. Just sayin... Sack him. We have no chance of Europe and we're in a relegation fight. The players hate the manager, bring back Moyes. Btay and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chalkpie Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 Sack him. We have no chance of Europe and we're in a relegation fight. The players hate the manager, bring back Moyes. Let's remember this the next time we are leading at 90 minutes and blow it in stoppage time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 Let's remember this the next time we are leading at 90 minutes and blow it in stoppage time It's as much the manager as it is the players fault for us losing so many points late on. This is an incredibly unique premier league season.. Let the teams around us sack managers, chop and change players/squads over a few bad results. Stability will be key over the next few years, especially as our ( Martinez's ) squad grows ever strong. MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 It's as much the manager as it is the players fault for us losing so many points late on. This is an incredibly unique premier league season.. Let the teams around us sack managers, chop and change players/squads over a few bad results. Stability will be key over the next few years, especially as our ( Martinez's ) squad grows ever strong.good post this, I know it's only two results but maybe the penny we were all waiting for has dropped Romey 1878 and Btay 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 I'm as delighted as anyone by this week, well done all the players and well done Martinez for setting us up to score 9 goals without reply. BUT... Would he have dropped Howard and Stones without injuries? They have been the biggest culprits in our worst defensive moments since Christmas, good management is dropping players when they are out of form. Has Martinez goy a bit lucky? nyblue23 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 good post this, I know it's only two results but maybe the penny we were all waiting for has dropped There have been a few of us preaching patience. Although I understand the concern of others and I know 2 good league results don't rescue a season, however I think we are close to having an incredible squad, challenging for trophies. MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 To be fair we have been mostly good since the turn of the year. We have been u lucky most of the time. This is why a few of us have been optimistic. But it's still only two wins on the bounce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 Happy we've turned it around glad to be proved wrong we need to keep this up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 Credit to Martinez for getting it tacticaly right. Players look well driled and we look much more sound defencevly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 (edited) Cant believe ppl are calling for Moyes back. DM left me so frustrated ALL THE TIME with his late, uninspired substitutions. We need to get a great manager in OR stick with Martinez. (A good manager) dont believe that he has lost the changing room for a second. Edited February 7, 2016 by Peter H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 The we whole moyes shouts did my absolute nut in. David Moyes balanced the books, got rid of dead wood and had us playing one dimensional cautionary football which earned us 5th to 7th place consistently. It was solid enough in a kind of Big Sam sort of way but enough was enough, no progression, no evolution. Put it this way I never seen us put better teams to the sword the way we did yesterday under moyes. As I stated elsewhere, RM has clear gaps that can be addressed. He does the tough things well, just getting the basics right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 But it's still only two wins on the bounce. And against two out of form sides. But two 3-0 wins on the bounce against anyone will breed confidence, and hopefully we go on a run now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 The we whole moyes shouts did my absolute nut in. David Moyes balanced the books, got rid of dead wood and had us playing one dimensional cautionary football which earned us 5th to 7th place consistently. It was solid enough in a kind of Big Sam sort of way but enough was enough, no progression, no evolution. Put it this way I never seen us put better teams to the sword the way we did yesterday under moyes. As I stated elsewhere, RM has clear gaps that can be addressed. He does the tough things well, just getting the basics right. ill never agree that Moyes played 1 dimensional football. He knew when to be robust but we also played some lovely attacking football. He did get to the point where he couldn't evolve further but saying he played Fat Sam kinda football is just crazy. duncanmckenzieismagic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 ill never agree that Moyes played 1 dimensional football. He knew when to be robust but we also played some lovely attacking football. He did get to the point where he couldn't evolve further but saying he played Fat Sam kinda football is just crazy. It did take a very long time to get to that attacking football, and even then it was sporadic. It just wasn't in his make-up to get us to play that way, whether through a bit of fear or because he just didn't know how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 It did take a very long time to get to that attacking football, and even then it was sporadic. It just wasn't in his make-up to get us to play that way, whether through a bit of fear or because he just didn't know how.it did, but that was because he was redesigning the Walter Smith team - not something we had the money to do in a few seasons. I agree, it wasn't week in week out, but we weren't 1 dimensional by any stretch. duncanmckenzieismagic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 it did, but that was because he was redesigning the Walter Smith team - not something we had the money to do in a few seasons. I agree, it wasn't week in week out, but we weren't 1 dimensional by any stretch. It shouldn't have taken 10 years, because it was only towards the end of his too long tenure it happened. I'm not having that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 It shouldn't have taken 10 years, because it was only towards the end of his too long tenure it happened. I'm not having that.it didn't take 10 years though. 5-7 maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 Sorry but Moyes dragged the whole relegation rescue act on for years. He created the illusion that he had a squad of players on a £20k a week wage cap. The reality was far different, he had some immensely talented footballers on good money. Osman, arteta, pienaar, baines with solid strikers. For me his overriding system was to focus on the false 9 be it cahill or fellaini. Hoof it up, get it wide, cross the ball in. This is why the likes of fellaini and cahill were among out top goalscorers... strikers were starved, pushed out wide and the false 9 got their share of goals. In short it was pretty fucking boring and predictable. No plan b, defenders for strikers, playing for draws. I'm not discrediting what he done, just how he did it and sandbagged his way to praise that really should have been "could do more". "Penknives to gun fights" and "top half is a great achievement for a club like everton".... nah. chicagoblue, Romey 1878, Peter H and 2 others 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 Whilst crying poor he was one of the top paid managers in the world. He we paid the same or more than our top player. He then used to put pressure on the club to give the players pay rise. Arteta took a pay cut when joining Arsenal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyblue23 Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 I'm as delighted as anyone by this week, well done all the players and well done Martinez for setting us up to score 9 goals without reply. BUT... Would he have dropped Howard and Stones without injuries? They have been the biggest culprits in our worst defensive moments since Christmas, good management is dropping players when they are out of form. Has Martinez goy a bit lucky? I think the true measure will come when we find out whether or not he keeps Howard out for the remainder of the season and lets Stones go for big money in the summer. If he does those two things, by all means, keep him around. Well... that and stop playing Kone as the LM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted February 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 The two wins still fit into the pattern. They'll paper over poor performances for a while. He hasn't turned this around based on two performances for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 Sorry but Moyes dragged the whole relegation rescue act on for years. He created the illusion that he had a squad of players on a £20k a week wage cap. The reality was far different, he had some immensely talented footballers on good money. Osman, arteta, pienaar, baines with solid strikers. For me his overriding system was to focus on the false 9 be it cahill or fellaini. Hoof it up, get it wide, cross the ball in. This is why the likes of fellaini and cahill were among out top goalscorers... strikers were starved, pushed out wide and the false 9 got their share of goals. In short it was pretty fucking boring and predictable. No plan b, defenders for strikers, playing for draws. I'm not discrediting what he done, just how he did it and sandbagged his way to praise that really should have been "could do more". "Penknives to gun fights" and "top half is a great achievement for a club like everton".... nah. 1 dimension is still nonsense though. It wasn't just hoofball, or, for example, am I just imagining the Pienaar & Baines partnership? One of the best team goals I've seen at Everton was Ossies vs Larissa. He had his flaws, for sure, but 1 dimensional and boring is nonsense in my opinion. dlblue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 (edited) 1 dimension is still nonsense though. It wasn't just hoofball, or, for example, am I just imagining the Pienaar & Baines partnership? One of the best team goals I've seen at Everton was Ossies vs Larissa. He had his flaws, for sure, but 1 dimensional and boring is nonsense in my opinion. Exception rather than rule. Larissa as good as the performance was were shite. Lost every game scoring a total of 4 goals. The baines pienaar to fellaini/cahill was his pattern. Fire it up, ball out to left, pienaar and baines interplay, cross in.... it was nullified in thd end, when it was there was no plan b. Edited February 7, 2016 by Hafnia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 I wonder how many years it will be before we are able to let the Moyes era rest in peace?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 I wonder how many years it will be before we are able to let the Moyes era rest in peace?! He had 10 years, that's alot relative to the age of some of our fans. He was manager for a 3rd of my existence as an Everton fan.... That's a big chunk of time. Amazing considering my first 10 years seen us win 2 leagues, ecwc, and have 3 FA Cup finals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 He had 10 years, that's alot relative to the age of some of our fans. He was manager for a 3rd of my existence as an Everton fan.... That's a big chunk of time. Amazing considering my first 10 years seen us win 2 leagues, ecwc, and have 3 FA Cup finals. Yep, same here. Still not sure why he gets debated 3 years after he left. I'll give it another 3 years before I get really grumpy about it though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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