Gwlad Posted November 11, 2019 Report Share Posted November 11, 2019 I think Rafa is available at the end of Nov when Chinese league ends. Would love to see him here as I've said before. Big club mentality and we have to forget what went before. Palfy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Btay Posted November 12, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 12, 2019 This won’t be popular but I want to stick with Silva. The league is so tight - the points lost at Brighton would have had us even with 5th. Mass injuries at the moment haven’t helped Leicester are in good form but an injury to a few starters would seriously hinder them. I don’t actually fear the next run of fixtures so much. Norwich, Leicester, Liverpool, chelsea, Man U & Arsenal. Norwich we need to win. Leicester - who knows but let’s get at them and we can get points. We turned up well for the last 2 derby’s and I don’t fear Man U or arsenal one bit. Sibdane, markjazzbassist, MikeO and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted November 12, 2019 Report Share Posted November 12, 2019 What justification is their for him to stay when he overlooked Davies and Holgate all last season and the start of this one. Both have shown how inept he is. I'd even argue DCL given it took half a season before he'd trust him up top even though he clearly suited the role more than Tosun and Richarlison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbanyNYToffee Posted November 12, 2019 Report Share Posted November 12, 2019 12 hours ago, Btay said: This won’t be popular but I want to stick with Silva. The league is so tight - the points lost at Brighton would have had us even with 5th. Mass injuries at the moment haven’t helped Leicester are in good form but an injury to a few starters would seriously hinder them. I don’t actually fear the next run of fixtures so much. Norwich, Leicester, Liverpool, chelsea, Man U & Arsenal. Norwich we need to win. Leicester - who knows but let’s get at them and we can get points. We turned up well for the last 2 derby’s and I don’t fear Man U or arsenal one bit. Despite what I said a few weeks ago about needing to beat West Ham, Brighton and Watford coming out of the international break for him to keep his job, I'm with you Btay. I've always found this decision to be so difficult - with the exception of Allardyce, hated every second of him. Martinez and Koeman weren't cut and dry either. For me I've always put the most stock into how the players react to and speak about the manager. There is real, genuine respect there from most if not all of them. That speaks volumes. 10 hours ago, pete0 said: What justification is their for him to stay when he overlooked Davies and Holgate all last season and the start of this one. Both have shown how inept he is. I'd even argue DCL given it took half a season before he'd trust him up top even though he clearly suited the role more than Tosun and Richarlison. Davies and Holgate are in a good run of form no doubt about it and it's outstanding to see. We've also seen each of them make critical mistakes. Don't mistake 3 or 4 games as proof they're established quality premier league players. Bailey and StevO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbanyNYToffee Posted November 12, 2019 Report Share Posted November 12, 2019 Also what do stats like this say? Seems we aren't giving him enough credit for creating chances and at the same time not giving the players enough crap for wasting them. StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted November 12, 2019 Report Share Posted November 12, 2019 15 minutes ago, AlbanyNYToffee said: Also what do stats like this say? Seems we aren't giving him enough credit for creating chances and at the same time not giving the players enough crap for wasting them. There have been awful mistakes made by our players this season with the most recent being the Iwobi back pass. I also hate using this as an excuse, but VAR hasn't been that kind to us either. We also really need an established striker to lead the line because as shown above, we can't finish our chances. Can we play better? Yes. We've looked better the last few games and hopefully it continues. The only thing that has me really disappointed is the fact that we had what is considered an easy start in our schedule. We truly did not take advantage of that. Bailey and StevO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted November 13, 2019 Report Share Posted November 13, 2019 On 11/11/2019 at 19:11, Gwlad all over said: I think Rafa is available at the end of Nov when Chinese league ends. Would love to see him here as I've said before. Big club mentality and we have to forget what went before. He didn't have a big club mentality at Newcastle. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted November 13, 2019 Report Share Posted November 13, 2019 2 hours ago, Bailey said: He didn't have a big club mentality at Newcastle. amen, he's a has been, no thanks, never wanted rafa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad Posted November 13, 2019 Report Share Posted November 13, 2019 Get over what he said, a lot of water under the bridge since then. Also don't think his heart was ever in the city of Newcastle, Liverpool is different. Just think Marco is hanging on by his fingernails and after December not sure we'll be in a good place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted November 16, 2019 Report Share Posted November 16, 2019 Just read an article on planet football. It’s the league table after the last 38 league games. We would be 13th in the league. Speaks volumes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted November 16, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2019 2 hours ago, Finn balor said: Just read an article on planet football. It’s the league table after the last 38 league games. We would be 13th in the league. Speaks volumes Nobody outside the "big" six exists on that planet apparently so they can f'ck off. Palfy and StevO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Palfy Posted November 16, 2019 Report Share Posted November 16, 2019 2 hours ago, MikeO said: Nobody outside the "big" six exists on that planet apparently so they can f'ck off. That was a very good way of putting it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted November 16, 2019 Report Share Posted November 16, 2019 Big six weeks ahead. Hope he can turn it around but like somebody said. We get a win and draw then lose two in the bounce. Going off that article in the last 38 league games we are a mid table team under Marco StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted November 16, 2019 Report Share Posted November 16, 2019 I have a feeling with the games coming up we could be in our worst predicament in the league for years. I’m done with Silva to be honest I have been for the last few weeks, I had been trying to give him the benefit of doubt up to then, but I have no doubt now he’s not good enough he hasn’t got the knowledge or ideas to move us forward. It’s not just the results although them alone should be reason enough to get rid, it’s just as much how good players look a shadow of themselves in his team, and don’t seem to be able to perform to their best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted November 16, 2019 Report Share Posted November 16, 2019 He seems to be getting worse support now he’s won a few games. Good news is.... we don’t need to look for a replacement for Gana anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted November 16, 2019 Report Share Posted November 16, 2019 11 minutes ago, Shukes said: He seems to be getting worse support now he’s won a few games. Good news is.... we don’t need to look for a replacement for Gana anymore There was nothing to replace StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 4 hours ago, Palfy said: I have a feeling with the games coming up we could be in our worst predicament in the league for years. I’m done with Silva to be honest I have been for the last few weeks, I had been trying to give him the benefit of doubt up to then, but I have no doubt now he’s not good enough he hasn’t got the knowledge or ideas to move us forward. It’s not just the results although them alone should be reason enough to get rid, it’s just as much how good players look a shadow of themselves in his team, and don’t seem to be able to perform to their best. I think after that difficult run a Silva's fate will be decided. He did it at the end of last year so this is going to be a make or break and the derby is a massive game for us. He wins or draws with a great display then that could reignite us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 Just now, Aidan said: I think after that difficult run a Silva's fate will be decided. He did it at the end of last year so this is going to be a make or break and the derby is a massive game for us. He wins or draws with a great display then that could reignite us. I hope you’re right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 So if we get spanked by the best teams in the league in the next few weeks we should sack him? If he was getting sacked it should have been a month ago. You can’t sack a manager after getting beaten by Liverpool, City and Chelsea. How does that look reasonable to any prospective new managers? Now he’s made it past his rough patch he has to see out 2019 as a minimum for me, otherwise Moshiri looks trigger happy. Shukes and markjazzbassist 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 3 hours ago, StevO said: f he was getting sacked it should have been a month ago. You can’t sack a manager after getting beaten by Liverpool, City and Chelsea. How does that look reasonable to any prospective new managers? You can if because coming into December you are languishing in the bottom 4 or 5, after you fucked up the easiest start to a season we have had for years, which has now left you more like relegation candidates than top 6 candidates, which the majority on here believed we would be. So for me you can definitely be sacked if spanked by the teams you mentioned at this stage of the season, when you consider what led up to it and where it leaves us. How do we look to new managers if that happened, I think we would look like a team that wants to go places, who are prepared to back the manager with the financial means to buy the players he wants, who as in Silva’s case are prepared to give you time to implement your style, but what we won’t accept is that once we have given you what you need, you then repay us with poor performances that leave us near the foot of the table. That in my opinion is what the sacking of Silva would say to other managers. StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 It also looks like a team with no patience. It was widely reported by the club and manager that when he started it was a three year project to rebuild the team. Is we sack him after half of that, then I can’t see other managers seeing that as a positive. Now if we go into freefall, that’s different. And let’s face it, it could happen. We don’t know at this point if the team are improving or not as we have too many injury’s, players that are still getting up to speed. In one hand were saying players like Kean need more time, but then we’re saying the manager needs to go. We should be looking at the whole situation as a club and not individuals. Do we need more time? Or not? Matt and StevO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 19 minutes ago, Shukes said: Do we need more time? Or not? What you mean by we I’m not sure, Silva’s had his money and his time to turn things round, you use injuries as the reason why we are in this position I completely dispute that, in fact we have done better since the injuries. A couple of hundred million and 18 months down the line is were you are happy and expect us to be. I think most managers worth there salt would expect to be sacked for his record, and are bemused by the fact he hasn’t already gone, I think we have been more than patient when it comes to Silva if that’s what you mean by we. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 We could get pep or Klopp and still be where we are, the league is that tight. 3 points from us in 15th to 5th. I think the contentious calls against us go our way and no one is even questioning Silva right now. Matt, Shukes and MikeO 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 9 minutes ago, Btay said: We could get pep or Klopp and still be where we are, Have you fallen off your surfboard and banged your head you nutter Btay 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggytop Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 15 minutes ago, Btay said: We could get pep or Klopp and still be where we are, I get what you meant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 7 hours ago, StevO said: So if we get spanked by the best teams in the league in the next few weeks we should sack him? If he was getting sacked it should have been a month ago. You can’t sack a manager after getting beaten by Liverpool, City and Chelsea. How does that look reasonable to any prospective new managers? Now he’s made it past his rough patch he has to see out 2019 as a minimum for me, otherwise Moshiri looks trigger happy. It will be the manner of the spanking, if it happens. IF we give them hell and lose, he still gets some time. IF he sets up to be steamrolled, then he should go. I know which one is more likely, assuming the only scenario in question is getting spanked - we might well give a spanking to them, and then what! StevO and Shukes 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 49 minutes ago, Btay said: We could get pep or Klopp and still be where we are, the league is that tight. 3 points from us in 15th to 5th. I think the contentious calls against us go our way and no one is even questioning Silva right now. A bit of sense! We've not even completed the first 3rd of the season and people are talking about relegation - 5 points off the bottom three, 3 behind an automatic EL spot... Silva isn't even half way through his 3 year contract yet and people want him to undo years of damage, whilst win everything, whilst playing beautiful football... Maybe we should be pissed off that he doesn't give us the winning lottery ticket numbers each week too! This kind of negative short-sighted talk, whilst understandable because of the frustration this season, ended up with the previous manager in charge last time we panicked. Btay, MikeO, Romey 1878 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 We are in this position with Silva relying now on trying to get results from the better teams in the league, because he has failed to get them against the lesser teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, Palfy said: We are in this position with Silva relying now on trying to get results from the better teams in the league, because he has failed to get them against the lesser teams. Just assuming the BHA penalty wasn't given and we'd won that game, sitting 5-7th (because of goal difference), would you still be wanting him gone? If you add the penalty not given at Spurs for the handball and we win that game 2-1, we'd be 5th and 4 points behind 4th, would you still want him gone? StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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