Sean Dyche

[RPG]

30 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

The absolute frustration for me is that if we had a big striker who was half decent we would be clear of the drop zone.  One player…. One fuckin player. 

I share that frustration. I think we have to give up on DCL. Whatever is going on there, I don't think we are going to get more than a few cameo appearances out of him to the end of the season.

I vaguely remember a game under Moyes when our strikers were all injured at the same time and we played what was basically a 4-6-0 formation with Tim Cahill getting forward from midfield when he could. That might not be a bad idea this Wednesday night. Just invite Arsenal to try to break us down with a 4-1-5-0 formation and hope we can hang on for a 0-0.

Something like:

                                     Pickford

              Coleman  Coady  Tarkowski  Mykolenko

                                       Gueye

                  Gray  Doucoure Iwobi  Onana  McNeil

Gray and Iwobi could swap positions throughout the game.

[Hafnia]

43 minutes ago, RPG said:

I share that frustration. I think we have to give up on DCL. Whatever is going on there, I don't think we are going to get more than a few cameo appearances out of him to the end of the season.

I vaguely remember a game under Moyes when our strikers were all injured at the same time and we played what was basically a 4-6-0 formation with Tim Cahill getting forward from midfield when he could. That might not be a bad idea this Wednesday night. Just invite Arsenal to try to break us down with a 4-1-5-0 formation and hope we can hang on for a 0-0.

Something like:

                                     Pickford

              Coleman  Coady  Tarkowski  Mykolenko

                                       Gueye

                  Gray  Doucoure Iwobi  Onana  McNeil

Gray and Iwobi could swap positions throughout the game.

Thing is back then we had the likes of Cahill, baines, Pienaar, arteta who could score goals  we don’t have any finishers now

[RPG]

4 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

Thing is back then we had the likes of Cahill, baines, Pienaar, arteta who could score goals  we don’t have any finishers now

I have to agree. We are looking at our wide men winning a corner and hoping Tarkowski can score another header. But 0-0 on Wednesday would do for me.

[Gwlad all over]

Maybe time to try Keane.

[Hafnia]

1 hour ago, Gwlad all over said:

Maybe time to try Keane.

I’ve said this. Not as crazy as it sounds 

[Wiggytop]

2 hours ago, Gwlad all over said:

Maybe time to try Keane.

He would offer more of a threat than Maupay.

[Palfy]

20 hours ago, Btay said:

Made his job a lot harder by sacking Lampard halfway through the transfer window.

Dyche has us playing much better football, the chances we created should have resulted in 2/3 goals against Villa. He can only do so much with what he’s got. 

My post had nothing to do with Dyche I never mentioned him, my criticism was of Thelwell, Moshiri and the Directors who had nearly 8 months of targeting players, and the planning of how they were going to get a couple of forwards in and they failed miserably. The sacking of Lampard is irrelevant and not an excuse for them not to deliver because they are the ones who decided to sack Lampard anyway. So let's say you're right the sacking of Lampard was the reason we couldn't sign anyone, then that's down to all the above surely, as a collective they fired him. 
Really we should have had all our targets identified and our business concluded in the first week or 2 of the window. 

[London Blue]

If we get relegated its because we don't have a effective striker. DCL is but he is plagued by injury and sadly I don't see him playing much for us again.

There are not enough goals in the side, simple as that.

I love Everton, but HATE what the board has done to my club. There is simply no excuse for bringing more strikers in during the window.

Deep down I believe we will be relegated, we should keep with Dyche as he has us playing a good mix of football given his limited time here and lack of attack.  We need to continue to support Dyche and the side and protest peacefully against the board. Apart form prayer, its all we can do.

[Romey 1878]

There's a world of difference between being able to finish when a chance drops to you from a corner or whatever, and actually playing up front.

I'd have Keane in defence before Coady though.

[Palfy]

I reckon Dyche will be thinking why did Lampard and Thelwell let Rondon go when they had no backup for DCL who was injured, now he would bite your hand off if given the chance to still have him here. 

[Heath]

7 hours ago, Palfy said:

I reckon Dyche will be thinking why did Lampard and Thelwell let Rondon go when they had no backup for DCL who was injured, now he would bite your hand off if given the chance to still have him here. 

He would certainly have been another option upfront, and we don't have many of them at the moment.

[Gwlad all over]

I think it is heartening that going through all threads everyone is behind Dyche. He has inherited a ~shit show~ disparate squad and deserves a summer window and the opportunity to get us back into the Prem - should this be necessary.

[RPG]

6 hours ago, Gwlad all over said:

I think it is heartening that going through all threads everyone is behind Dyche. He has inherited a ~shit show~ disparate squad and deserves a summer window and the opportunity to get us back into the Prem - should this be necessary.

I agree. He seems to be a straight talking, hard working, honest, keen and knowledgeable guy who deserves to be given time. He also seems to be the sort of guy who is not doing anything to try to win any particular group of people over. He is just doing his job to the best of his ability and I like that a lot.

[Romey 1878]

Chicken fried Dyche tonight.

[Newty82]

2nd half today the players looked knackered but I'll say it again...I've mostly enjoyed watching us since Dyche came in. I actually like how we play under him! I was all for him getting the job, just expected us to play a lot more negatively than we have been.

It's nice to see us having a go and creating chances. 

[Shukes]

Funny thing is that he has reverted back to the old guard. He is playing players who he can trust and rely on. 
 

My biggest worry is how many he needs to replace in the summer.

Coleman is surely on his last season. Next will just be a back up player.

Gana can’t keep that energy up at his age for another year, and I would expect him to also be a squad player next year.

Myko. Love the lad, but again he is a back up player. 
 

Iwobi, purple patch is over.

[Matt]

2 minutes ago, Shukes said:

Funny thing is that he has reverted back to the old guard. He is playing players who he can trust and rely on. 
 

My biggest worry is how many he needs to replace in the summer.

Coleman is surely on his last season. Next will just be a back up player.

Gana can’t keep that energy up at his age for another year, and I would expect him to also be a squad player next year.

Myko. Love the lad, but again he is a back up player. 
 

Iwobi, purple patch is over.

Largely agree except this part. His purple patch would be continuing if he hadn't been stuck back on the wing. Hopefully with a real right winger we'll see him central again. 

[Romey 1878]

Tea and Dychegestives this morning.

[Goodison Glory]

1 hour ago, Matt said:

Largely agree except this part. His purple patch would be continuing if he hadn't been stuck back on the wing. Hopefully with a real right winger we'll see him central again. 

Maybe give Onana a break (especially for home games) and put Iwobi there. We can play Gray on the right once DCL comes back….a lot of things have to happen just for us to get square pegs in square holes…bloody hell!

[Shukes]

1 hour ago, Matt said:

Largely agree except this part. His purple patch would be continuing if he hadn't been stuck back on the wing. Hopefully with a real right winger we'll see him central again. 

Hopefully.

Watching him though I feel it’s a motivation thing. The amount of non attempts yesterday was staggering. I would love to be an attacking player and run against him, he just literally watches you pass by.

[Matt]

8 minutes ago, Shukes said:

Hopefully.

Watching him though I feel it’s a motivation thing. The amount of non attempts yesterday was staggering. I would love to be an attacking player and run against him, he just literally watches you pass by.

I'm sure it is. But can you blame him? He was by far and away our most productive player after finally getting his start in the centre but Dyche puts him back outside immediately.  

[Hafnia]

31 minutes ago, Matt said:

I'm sure it is. But can you blame him? He was by far and away our most productive player after finally getting his start in the centre but Dyche puts him back outside immediately.  

I understand why dyche has moved him out wide cos he wants the physicality and defensive snap of the other 3. 
 

[Matt]

13 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

I understand why dyche has moved him out wide cos he wants the physicality and defensive snap of the other 3. 
 

I completely understand that too. Its back to needs must but when you don't play to a players strengths, all their weaknesses are even more obvious.

[plaidharper]

3 hours ago, Goodison Glory said:

Maybe give Onana a break (especially for home games) and put Iwobi there. We can play Gray on the right once DCL comes back….a lot of things have to happen just for us to get square pegs in square holes…bloody hell!

Coleman needs help on the right and Iwobi provides that.  Runs alot.  Gray does not offer that protection and thus I doubt we will ever see him there.  Agree Iwobi needs to go back centrally but if we stick with Dyche next year and same formation, we will be needing to buy someone for the right side. Hopefully 2 so that Coleman and Iwobi both don't start there.

[Hafnia]

2 hours ago, Matt said:

I completely understand that too. Its back to needs must but when you don't play to a players strengths, all their weaknesses are even more obvious.

If we had a few points cushion we would see him experiment when dcl comes back. I think Onana needs a shake 

[StevO]

10 hours ago, Matt said:

Largely agree except this part. His purple patch would be continuing if he hadn't been stuck back on the wing. Hopefully with a real right winger we'll see him central again. 

My problem with that is how often Iwobi gives the ball away. When he’s out wide we can get away with it a bit more, but in the middle we get punished. He’s more of an attacking threat, absolutely, but he’s equally a bit of a liability in there too. 

[Romey 1878]

19 hours ago, StevO said:

My problem with that is how often Iwobi gives the ball away. When he’s out wide we can get away with it a bit more, but in the middle we get punished. He’s more of an attacking threat, absolutely, but he’s equally a bit of a liability in there too. 

And he's really slow so when he does give it away the player is away from him before you know it.

[Goodison Glory]

6 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

And he's really slow so when he does it away the player is away from him before you know it.

His running style reminds me of Raheem Sterling...obviously much slower. It's like he runs as though is trying to keep a pencil between his arse cheeks without dropping it....weird image I get it!!!

[Gwlad all over]

1 hour ago, Goodison Glory said:

His running style reminds me of Raheem Sterling...obviously much slower. It's like he runs as though is trying to keep a pencil between his arse cheeks without dropping it....weird image I get it!!!

And I thought this was the Sean Dyche thread 

[Shukes]

On 12/03/2023 at 13:10, Matt said:

I'm sure it is. But can you blame him? He was by far and away our most productive player after finally getting his start in the centre but Dyche puts him back outside immediately.  

I’m old fashioned mate. You play for the shirt and do whatever job to your best ability wherever you get out, not just where you like it. 
Iwobi playing wide made him look good and the team look shit.

Iwobi playing central makes the team look better and him look shit.

[Goodison Glory]

2 hours ago, Gwlad all over said:

And I thought this was the Sean Dyche thread 

Haha I actually thought it was the Iwobi thread

[Romey 1878]

It was a bit of a Dychey time tonight but we more than deserved that point.

[c1982]

On 12/03/2023 at 21:16, StevO said:

My problem with that is how often Iwobi gives the ball away. When he’s out wide we can get away with it a bit more, but in the middle we get punished. He’s more of an attacking threat, absolutely, but he’s equally a bit of a liability in there too. 

Sorry to go off topic again but I was discussing this the other day. Lampard was obsessed on building around Iwobi in the ‘10’ and yes he looked our best player but he lost the ball so many times and we got punished so many times. Maybe if Lampard hadn’t alienated Doucoure and played Iwobi in a wide position he’d still be our manager. Iwobi is still a key player but having Doucoure in the the 3 has made us so much better - it’s not as if Dyche has discovered some miracle remedy; Ancelotti, the best manager in world football, played Doucoure on a weekly basis and had reservations over Iwobi centrally.

*disclaimer - I’m not bitching about Lampard (I’ll forever be thankful and supportive) and am certainly not knocking Iwobi’s talents.

[Romey 1878]

7 minutes ago, c1982 said:

Sorry to go off topic again but I was discussing this the other day. Lampard was obsessed on building around Iwobi in the ‘10’ and yes he looked our best player but he lost the ball so many times and we got punished so many times. Maybe if Lampard hadn’t alienated Doucoure and played Iwobi in a wide position he’d still be our manager. Iwobi is still a key player but having Doucoure in the the 3 has made us so much better - it’s not as if Dyche has discovered some miracle remedy; Ancelotti, the best manager in world football, played Doucoure on a weekly basis and had reservations over Iwobi centrally.

*disclaimer - I’m not bitching about Lampard (I’ll forever be thankful and supportive) and am certainly not knocking Iwobi’s talents.

Iwobi was fucking awful tonight. Played a massive role in their second goal as well.

[c1982]

39 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

Iwobi was fucking awful tonight. Played a massive role in their second goal as well.

Yep - wouldn’t say he was awful but gave the ball away for their 2nd.

[Btay]

3 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

Iwobi was fucking awful tonight. Played a massive role in their second goal as well.

He’s gone right off the boil since going out wide. Works hard still but just isn’t finding anywhere near the quality he was showing the first half of the season.

[Btay]

On 13/03/2023 at 02:03, plaidharper said:

Coleman needs help on the right and Iwobi provides that.  Runs alot.  Gray does not offer that protection and thus I doubt we will ever see him there.  Agree Iwobi needs to go back centrally but if we stick with Dyche next year and same formation, we will be needing to buy someone for the right side. Hopefully 2 so that Coleman and Iwobi both don't start there.

Personally I think Gray works his socks off or at least has really upped his effort in his recent outings so I don’t see this as an issue any more.

[Btay]

Under Dyche -

8 games for 11 points. Over a season that roughly works out to 52 points. Obviously there still plenty of improvement to be made but if we continue like this for the rest of the season we should be safe this year & if we continue it for next season comfortably mid table.

[Cornish Steve]

3 hours ago, Btay said:

Under Dyche -

8 games for 11 points. Over a season that roughly works out to 52 points. Obviously there still plenty of improvement to be made but if we continue like this for the rest of the season we should be safe this year & if we continue it for next season comfortably mid table.

And those games included most of the top teams, including Arsenal twice. 

[Wiggytop]

He’s doing want Lampard failed to do with the resources he has available, I’m pleased and think we will get more attractive to watch with a few additions in the summer, I’m becoming more confident we will do enough to stay up.

[Shukes]

I actually get excited to go again recently. Not always sure of the points, but the football is nowhere near as bad as I expected. He plays a high pressure style, and I find that exciting to watch.

While Iwobi might be going the wrong way, McNeil has stepped up massively. Gray is showing some bite. Tarks is a weapon. Doucs has totally turned his form around and is more of the player we had at the start.

Jesus…. Is this what they call optimism?

[Goodison Glory]

4 hours ago, Cornish Steve said:

And those games included most of the top teams, including Arsenal twice. 

2 of the top teams (arsenal/Liverpool)...so 3 games out of 8 against top teams. 
 

not taking anything away from him just correcting the perception.

Leicester have had an awful run of fixtures that past 10 games. Unreal. 

 

[Palfy]

I'm happy with the way we are playing because  it's going to keep us in this division, the football doesn't excite me we are just working hard to stay in the game to survive, backs against the wall every week isn't the style of football I want to see from any Everton team. But I readily accept Dyche doesn't have a great deal of options, he's taken over a shit show with very little time and hardly any resources to save our lives and he's doing a brilliant job by putting some fight back in the players. So I'm hoping next season he can improve on our playing style so we get a team who can play some decent football as well as battle, because I don't want a manager who thinks playing for survival and staying in the league is an achievement, we are bigger than Burnley and I just hope he can handle and fore fill the bigger expectations that will be placed on him. 

[Hafnia]

He should have been in after the Bournemouth double defeat and we would be out of sight of bottom 3 now. 
 

let’s hope it doesn’t cost us. We have 2 weeks to get dcl, Patterson and garner fit enough to start. 

[Palfy]

14 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

He should have been in after the Bournemouth double defeat and we would be out of sight of bottom 3 now. 
 

let’s hope it doesn’t cost us. We have 2 weeks to get dcl, Patterson and garner fit enough to start. 

I think we will survive mate, before he arrived I thought we were down with Lampard who had lost all control of our situation. Dyche has taken a bunch of infantry men and turned them into a group of marines, who are holding the lines with their backs against the wall and against all the odds. 
I can see a lot of the Moyes era in our defending and fighting as a team, next season I want to see some of the Moyes expansive football to go with the fight. If Dyche can make us a team that are in and around the top 6 again I will die a happy Evertonian. 

[Aidan]

3 hours ago, Wiggytop said:

He’s doing want Lampard failed to do with the resources he has available, I’m pleased and think we will get more attractive to watch with a few additions in the summer, I’m becoming more confident we will do enough to stay up.

I think it's what we need too. No more managers coming in and spending money to play possession based football. If we can dominant teams physically, and keep creating changes through direct play, we can build possession into the philosophy in time.

Easier said than done, but just don't lose games. Under Moyes we were great at that, it gave us identity and consistency, something we have lacked in a long time.

I hope recruitment in the summer isn't fancy, but we bring in effective players who suit the system. All of a sudden, I don't feel as negative about the quality of the squad as I did under Lampard. we need reinforcements, no doubt, but maybe an overhaul isn't as necessary as I once thought.

[Hafnia]

1 hour ago, Palfy said:

I think we will survive mate, before he arrived I thought we were down with Lampard who had lost all control of our situation. Dyche has taken a bunch of infantry men and turned them into a group of marines, who are holding the lines with their backs against the wall and against all the odds. 
I can see a lot of the Moyes era in our defending and fighting as a team, next season I want to see some of the Moyes expansive football to go with the fight. If Dyche can make us a team that are in and around the top 6 again I will die a happy Evertonian. 

I actually think dyche plays good stuff, he’s more expansive than Moyes was already for me given the personnel we have. 
 

he deffo has an air of “don’t fuck with me” - not from what I’ve seen in his interviews but reading between the lines he had Joey Barton on best behaviour who told Chris Long to put his head down and don’t speak when dyche was giving a post match bollocking. 
 

I deffo think he acts the nice guy to the media but runs a very very tight ship behind the scenes.  Long may it continue, the players have had it too easy for too long. I was getting sick of seeing “happy finch farm” players walking out like eskimos dressed like they were playing in Siberia and laughing and joking whilst averaging 0.5 points a game. 

[plaidharper]

People in this thread and on twitter already talking about Dyche's style next season when at the beginning of the year we looked certain to go down.  Does my head in.  If Dyche keeps us up with our weak and threadbare squad then he more than deserves time to sort us out his way.

Coming back twice from being down to Chelsea?  Ya think that is sitting back and surviving do ya?  Obviously people have already forgotten things at the beginning of the season or when we were managed by that red clown.  Love the fight Dyche has instilled as well as the high press.  Just hope that it continues.  Need to make sure we can hold the line before we progress lest we slide back into previous poor form.

Keep doing your thing Dyche 

[Aidan]

https://fb.watch/jn930g8qoq/

Really full of praise in this. Will do the players a world of confidence hearing that.

[Gwlad all over]

3 hours ago, Aidan said:

https://fb.watch/jn930g8qoq/

Really full of praise in this. Will do the players a world of confidence hearing that.

Indeed. He is absolutely the right manager for us right now.

We are in a good place seeing that clubs around us have  managerial problems now or upcoming.

[Bailey]

23 hours ago, plaidharper said:

People in this thread and on twitter already talking about Dyche's style next season when at the beginning of the year we looked certain to go down.  Does my head in.  If Dyche keeps us up with our weak and threadbare squad then he more than deserves time to sort us out his way.

Coming back twice from being down to Chelsea?  Ya think that is sitting back and surviving do ya?  Obviously people have already forgotten things at the beginning of the season or when we were managed by that red clown.  Love the fight Dyche has instilled as well as the high press.  Just hope that it continues.  Need to make sure we can hold the line before we progress lest we slide back into previous poor form.

Keep doing your thing Dyche 

I have no doubt that there will come a time when a discussion will be had as to whether Dyche has taken us as far as he can go, but that time is years away from now!

[Newty82]

52 minutes ago, Bailey said:

I have no doubt that there will come a time when a discussion will be had as to whether Dyche has taken us as far as he can go, but that time is years away from now!

...and, to be fair, that'll be a nice place to be!!!

[Palfy]

7 minutes ago, Bailey said:

I have no doubt that there will come a time when a discussion will be had as to whether Dyche has taken us as far as he can go, but that time is years away from now!

I wouldn't be so confident in that mate, if we are fighting relegation come next January Moshiri will not see it that way, hopefully he gets us playing some decent football alongside the fight he's instilled in the players, 10th next January instead of flirting with 17th or 18th and him getting the axe. 

[Matt]

3 minutes ago, Palfy said:

I wouldn't be so confident in that mate, if we are fighting relegation come next January Moshiri will not see it that way, hopefully he gets us playing some decent football alongside the fight he's instilled in the players, 10th next January instead of flirting with 17th or 18th and him getting the axe. 

From what I've seen, which isn't as much as I'd like, we've played gritty when needed and expansive when we can. Dyche isn't a 1 trick pony. 

[Palfy]

14 minutes ago, Matt said:

From what I've seen, which isn't as much as I'd like, we've played gritty when needed and expansive when we can. Dyche isn't a 1 trick pony. 

I really hope he isn't a 1 trick pony. He's done unbelievably well since he got here I now don't fear we will go down, yet under Lampard I was convinced we would be gone. In my opinion Dyche is enjoying himself like a pig in shit, he's doing what he's done most of PL managerial career which is setting a team up to fight the drop. I do have a few concerns that maybe that's his way of playing week in week out. Not wanting to wish my life away but I can't wait for next season to see him get a couple of his own signings in and show us a different approach to his management style, but until then I'm made up with what he's achieved to date not many could have turned us round the way he has, plus I really like him as a person. 

[Matt]

2 hours ago, Palfy said:

I really hope he isn't a 1 trick pony. He's done unbelievably well since he got here I now don't fear we will go down, yet under Lampard I was convinced we would be gone. In my opinion Dyche is enjoying himself like a pig in shit, he's doing what he's done most of PL managerial career which is setting a team up to fight the drop. I do have a few concerns that maybe that's his way of playing week in week out. Not wanting to wish my life away but I can't wait for next season to see him get a couple of his own signings in and show us a different approach to his management style, but until then I'm made up with what he's achieved to date not many could have turned us round the way he has, plus I really like him as a person. 

But you can see the expansive, exciting stuff in the games too. Don't forget he got Burnley into Europe too. 

1 trick pony he is not. 

[Romey 1878]

I've been pleasantly surprised by him tbh.

[London Blue]

7 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

I've been pleasantly surprised by him tbh.

If we stay up, I would be interested to see what sort of team / squad he will develop, and what sort of football we will play.

I think it will be allot more technical and passing based than people think, but with a steely defense, and mentality.

[Wall Writer]

I think the biggest difference I've seen is in mentality. We don't seem to be that team anymore that goes a goal down and gives up.  

I was convinced that we would have done much better under Lampard if we had more/better options up front but Dyche has made better in that regard mainly by changing the mentality of the team. 

I still believe we need heavy investment up front, but the future seems to have much more of a pink tint to it than recently.

[Shukes]

I think what Palfy means is he will never agree that we played good football until Gana is a Gonna!