Cornish Steve Posted May 10 Report Share Posted May 10 23 hours ago, Formby said: I always admire a man of faith!! But I shall remain agnostic on this one until further evidence comes in. Give me a win against City and things may change! Having faith is one thing. Dreaming of miracles os something else! Formby and Matt 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted May 10 Report Share Posted May 10 1 hour ago, Bailey said: Open minded!? This is an Everton forum Newts, what the hell are you talking about! I know I know I had time away. Grew into a more rounded human being. I feel out of place.... Bailey and Matt 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted May 10 Report Share Posted May 10 https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/the-genius-way-everton-used-brightons-tactics-against-them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted May 10 Report Share Posted May 10 Is everyone forgetting how piss poor Paterson was before he got injured? There is probably never a perfect time for a player to get an injury but that has to be close to it For as good as his performance was at Brighton his performance against the same opposition at Goodison was shocking I like the lad and think he will turn out to be a very good signing for us but he definitely needed time out of the side Newty82, Bailey, StevO and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted May 10 Report Share Posted May 10 11 hours ago, Newty82 said: He didn't say he wasn't impressed with him, he spoke about him and Garner and said... “He’ll (Garner) grow and learn as time goes on,” Dyche stated. “Obviously at the minute it’s going to be a fast-track learning but there are a few players out there. “Patto is a young player still, you forget that, they’re developing players, they’re not rounded Premier League bona fide players, they’ve got to develop and learn about that. “Again, these are tough times for them to learn through but that’s the challenge.” Then said after the Leicester game... I kind of agree though that from our experience of Holgate and Godfrey, it maybe could have been better to put Patty in. But, again, how do we know what's going on other than to assume and let bias lead our thoughts? I mean, obviously you wouldn't let bias lead your thoughts. No way. Not a chance . biased who me never poetic license is my thing embellish on what was said to make it more interesting No matter what words he used he was not picking Patterson because he didn’t think he was ready or better than Holgate or Godfrey as the RB to cover for Coleman. No one’s exempt from critique not even Dyche, and I think he was wrong in both those games, and the performance away at Brighton as a team bore that out, maybe if he made the 2 changes in defence for the Leicester game we might not of conceded the 2 goals we did and won that game as well. And that doesn’t come from any form bias or hindsight Newty82 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted May 10 Report Share Posted May 10 1 hour ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: Is everyone forgetting how piss poor Paterson was before he got injured? There is probably never a perfect time for a player to get an injury but that has to be close to it For as good as his performance was at Brighton his performance against the same opposition at Goodison was shocking I like the lad and think he will turn out to be a very good signing for us but he definitely needed time out of the side, and Holgate and Godfrey were better options Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted May 10 Report Share Posted May 10 2 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/the-genius-way-everton-used-brightons-tactics-against-them We can take advantage of potentially tired legs at Brighton because they have no depth of squad to swap out those legs with quality. City, on the other hand, is a different story altogether. Dyche will need a different game plan against them, including setting someone to be an absolute bulldog against Haaland. Either that will work, or we could see a red card (especially if that bulldog is Mina). The game will be won or lost, though, in midfield, which is a tough ask. Gueye, Garner, and Doucoure: the City game is in your hands. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted May 10 Report Share Posted May 10 17 minutes ago, Cornish Steve said: We can take advantage of potentially tired legs at Brighton because they have no depth of squad to swap out those legs with quality. City, on the other hand, is a different story altogether. Dyche will need a different game plan against them, including setting someone to be an absolute bulldog against Haaland. Either that will work, or we could see a red card (especially if that bulldog is Mina). The game will be won or lost, though, in midfield, which is a tough ask. Gueye, Garner, and Doucoure: the City game is in your hands. Mina marking Haaland and being a bulldog... Baaahahahahahhahahaahahaaaa StevO and Newty82 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted May 11 Report Share Posted May 11 18 hours ago, Matt said: Mina marking Haaland and being a bulldog... Baaahahahahahhahahaahahaaaa OK, then a giraffe. Matt and StevO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbanyNYToffee Posted May 12 Report Share Posted May 12 On 09/05/2023 at 08:00, Formby said: I was wavering a bit about Dyche but yesterday was sensational - the best we have played in years. What he has done with McNeil is unbelievable. Doucoure, too. If he can get the players to play like that more regularly, we'll be having conversations about Europe - and not just where we're going on holiday. Good lord, can we just avoid relegation first this is far from over. Let’s revisit on May 28. London Blue and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Palfy Posted May 13 Popular Post Report Share Posted May 13 I have to give Dyche huge credit for the way he has handled DCL. From the out start he said he wanted to work on getting him fully fit before considering playing him and risking the cycle of injuries being repeated. In the beginning of his tenure things were going well and he could afford to leave him out with not to much consideration, and I personally praised him for that. Then the wheels fell off and the good start soon faded into obscurity, I then posted that Dyche like all subsequent managers will play be forced to play DCL not fully fit to try and turn the tide. Yet Dyche held his nerve stuck to his plan and did what was right for the player and team, and has proved having belief in your own convictions pays off in the long term. Well done Dyche for having big balls when it would have been easier to throw him on Wiggytop, Matt, Gwlad all over and 6 others 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Romey 1878 Posted May 21 Popular Post Report Share Posted May 21 I think we're something like 12th in the form table since he took charge. I've got many issues with some of the decisions made by him during his time here but there's no doubt that if he'd been brought in sooner we'd be well safe now. plaidharper, RuffRob, Matt and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Newty82 Posted May 21 Popular Post Report Share Posted May 21 58 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: I think we're something like 12th in the form table since he took charge. I've got many issues with some of the decisions made by him during his time here but there's no doubt that if he'd been brought in sooner we'd be well safe now. He might not be the champagne choice, but I think he's what we need for a few years. Maybe once he has a chance to get in his own players his decisions might make more sense to those who don't find them easy to understand? I'm certainly confident that if we survive this season, we'll get an extra 10 - 15 points at Goodison alone next season, which would clear us well away from the bottom. That alone would be a fab season after the last 2. RuffRob, Romey 1878, London Blue and 7 others 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post StevO Posted May 21 Popular Post Report Share Posted May 21 He has a plan, that alone seems alien after the last few years at our club. We need to see what a sensible manager, with realistic targets and ideas, can do with the club. Elston Gunnn, Newty82, Romey 1878 and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodison Glory Posted May 21 Report Share Posted May 21 Breathtaking finish to the season, relief all round, summer of optimism, imagine what this manager can do with a full season. Where have I seen that before Tongue in cheek comments aside...we need to keep dyche. We need stability somewhere. Next season could bring change in multiple areas - owner, board, stadium, player turnover. that said, if he starts Maupay against BOU - "dyche out" London Blue, plaidharper and Matt 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggytop Posted May 22 Report Share Posted May 22 8 hours ago, Goodison Glory said: Next season could bring change in multiple areas - owner, board, stadium, player turnover. New owner could mean new manager, I’ve no idea if that good or bad atm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Romey 1878 Posted May 22 Popular Post Report Share Posted May 22 45 minutes ago, Wiggytop said: New owner could mean new manager, I’ve no idea if that good or bad atm. Bad. A new manager is going to want new players, new players that we simply won't be able to provide him with even with a new owner. We know Dyche can get something out of the shit we already here but there's no guarantee a new man would be able to, and that could be disastrous. Better to stick with Dyche until we're on a better financial footing and then if you want to make a change you go for it. Sibdane, Bailey, London Blue and 4 others 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodison Glory Posted May 22 Report Share Posted May 22 Agreed. When that lot took over NCL was Howe already there or was it Bruce? I seem to recall they stuck with Howe when they could've jumped for a sexier name. They stuck with it and have been repaid for avoid that knee jerk reaction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted May 22 Report Share Posted May 22 48 minutes ago, Goodison Glory said: Agreed. When that lot took over NCL was Howe already there or was it Bruce? I seem to recall they stuck with Howe when they could've jumped for a sexier name. They stuck with it and have been repaid for avoid that knee jerk reaction. As far as I can remember they fucked Bruce off instantly and hired Howe. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffRob Posted May 22 Report Share Posted May 22 52 minutes ago, Goodison Glory said: Agreed. When that lot took over NCL was Howe already there or was it Bruce? I seem to recall they stuck with Howe when they could've jumped for a sexier name. They stuck with it and have been repaid for avoid that knee jerk reaction. Bruce was at Newcastle when they where taken over, and he left a few weeks later. New owner appointed Howe, and everything has gone perfect for them since - gone from a team fighting relegation to CL qualification in around 18months. The jammy fuckers - everything we touch turns to shit and everything they seem to touch has turned to gold. I know we are being looked at for a take over, but its not looking like it going to be any sort of Man City or Newcastle type takeover. I can only wonder timing wise - could either of those two deals have been Everton FC?. Right time at the right place seems to be how you become a great football club again. Not jealous at all - honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted May 22 Report Share Posted May 22 I feel bad because I really wanted Lampard to succeed because he is a good guy and overlooked his flaws. I feel bad because I underestimated Eddie Howe, I looked down on him and didn't take his success at Bournemouth seriously. I wish Eddie Howe well and hope he and Newcastle do well, they are a model of how to spend new found cash, we are the opposite. We should keep Dyche for a couple of seasons, fix the squad with a couple of strikers to cover / compliment DCL, a couple of new center backs and some creative players / wingers, not to mention left back right back cover. We need a rebuild and Dyche is the man to build the foundations. We play some decent football under him, so give him a chance, he has earnt it. RPG and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted May 22 Report Share Posted May 22 3 hours ago, Romey 1878 said: As far as I can remember they fucked Bruce off instantly and hired Howe. Bruce went to them as soon as they came in and offered to go, give them a fresh start, with a big fat wedge of cash in his pocket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoof_It_Nev Posted May 23 Report Share Posted May 23 6 hours ago, London Blue said: I wish Eddie Howe well and hope he and Newcastle do well, they are a model of how to spend new found cash, we are the opposite. Would you rather be on the buying side or selling side of a £45m Antony Gordon transfer? StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodison Glory Posted May 23 Report Share Posted May 23 55 minutes ago, Hoof_It_Nev said: Would you rather be on the buying side or selling side of a £45m Antony Gordon transfer? I'd rather be down 45M and in the CL. StevO, plaidharper and Matt 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggytop Posted May 23 Report Share Posted May 23 5 hours ago, Goodison Glory said: I'd rather be down 45M and in the CL. That’s the right answer, hardly rocket science though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted May 23 Report Share Posted May 23 12 hours ago, StevO said: Bruce went to them as soon as they came in and offered to go, give them a fresh start, with a big fat wedge of cash in his pocket. I'm sure he did it out of the goodness of his heart and not because he knew they'd sack him anyway and the fans hated his guts. Matt, StevO and Newty82 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted May 23 Report Share Posted May 23 10 hours ago, Romey 1878 said: I'm sure he did it out of the goodness of his heart and not because he knew they'd sack him anyway and the fans hated his guts. He made the first move in getting his hands on some Saudi cash! Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted May 23 Report Share Posted May 23 17 hours ago, Goodison Glory said: I'd rather be down 45M and in the CL. Let’s hope we’re not up 45M and in the CL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodison Glory Posted May 23 Report Share Posted May 23 6 minutes ago, Cornish Steve said: Let’s hope we’re not up 45M and in the CL. Are you trying to make a joke about the championship? Newty82 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted May 24 Report Share Posted May 24 13 hours ago, StevO said: He made the first move in getting his hands on some Saudi cash! He made the first move in ensuring he didn't lose his head. StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deacs Posted Thursday at 02:12 Report Share Posted Thursday at 02:12 Might be his most important team selection so far and it looks like injuries and poor form are going to make it a nightmare. We all have our own ideas on who should start and what formation we should play. Hopefully whatever line up he chooses, play with the intensity and passion the situation warrants. It’s been said elsewhere but we need to let Bournemouth know what type of an afternoon they’re in for, right from the first whistle. Romey 1878 and Palfy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted Thursday at 17:49 Report Share Posted Thursday at 17:49 https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/sean-dyche-faces-everton-axe-30078525 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted Thursday at 17:52 Report Share Posted Thursday at 17:52 2 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/sean-dyche-faces-everton-axe-30078525 Don't believe a word. Romey 1878, Palfy and Matt 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wall Writer Posted Thursday at 19:09 Report Share Posted Thursday at 19:09 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wall Writer Posted Thursday at 19:11 Report Share Posted Thursday at 19:11 I don't think a new manager is the priority. A new board and four or five new players should be higher on that list. StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad all over Posted Thursday at 19:51 Report Share Posted Thursday at 19:51 2 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/sean-dyche-faces-everton-axe-30078525 Perlease. Last thing we need wherever we are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted Thursday at 21:20 Report Share Posted Thursday at 21:20 Someone looking to demotivate the manager and the team? I hope the owners make clear that, right now, he has their full support. Palfy, Deacs, Matt and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggytop Posted Friday at 07:07 Report Share Posted Friday at 07:07 Predictable shit from a Scottish paper, yeah I think we should believe every word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted Friday at 08:53 Report Share Posted Friday at 08:53 No way Dyche won't be given a crack this upcoming season. I know the board are stupid but I don't think they're that thick. I think it's what we need at this moment. Hopefully he can get a few sturdy players through the door and we can start to build a team with more balance than previous seasons. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted Friday at 13:09 Report Share Posted Friday at 13:09 Firstly if we stay up or go down I have issue with Dyche for next season but it wouldn’t matter who we have as our manager, if we don’t have a consistent striker available it will be the same again next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badaids Posted Friday at 14:48 Report Share Posted Friday at 14:48 20 hours ago, MikeO said: Don't believe a word. Because word can be lies And lies are no company When there’s tears in your eyes. MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted Saturday at 06:55 Report Share Posted Saturday at 06:55 https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/sean-dyche-makes-honest-everton-27003535 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Newty82 Posted Sunday at 21:20 Popular Post Report Share Posted Sunday at 21:20 Enjoyed his words in the post match interviews. I think he's really got some fire in his belly to see this doesn't happen again. Give him a chance, he'll bring some much needed stability. We need that more than anything now. Like anyone, he has his detractors. Footballs a fickle game. He won't get away with much because he's Sean Dyche. Just like Ancelotti got away with a lot because he's Ancelotti. Bailey, Gwlad all over, Romey 1878 and 6 others 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Formby Posted Sunday at 22:10 Popular Post Report Share Posted Sunday at 22:10 The one signing we made in the January window bailed the board out. Keep him. Sack them. Newty82, StevO, Matt and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RuffRob Posted Sunday at 22:47 Popular Post Report Share Posted Sunday at 22:47 1 hour ago, Newty82 said: Enjoyed his words in the post match interviews. I think he's really got some fire in his belly to see this doesn't happen again. Give him a chance, he'll bring some much needed stability. We need that more than anything now. Like anyone, he has his detractors. Footballs a fickle game. He won't get away with much because he's Sean Dyche. Just like Ancelotti got away with a lot because he's Ancelotti. That's very true. Dyche was dealt a horrible hand from pretty much the day he arrive at the club. His first few days saw the club humiliated in the transfer window and not had a great deal of luck with injuries, fans battling the boards FFP investigations. A cluster fuck of a club, and some how this has been navigated to keep us up. He very much deserves an opertunity to build a team. KinL, Newty82, Wiggytop and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodison Glory Posted Sunday at 22:59 Report Share Posted Sunday at 22:59 Agreed. Don't like the guy so much but he did a job with a threadbare squad. Let's keep the stability here - no more chopping and changing - change needed elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted yesterday at 02:12 Report Share Posted yesterday at 02:12 I like his character more than his style at this moment in time, he’s strong willed and disciplined in his approach to the game and his first rule is work hard and his second is work harder. He reminds me very much of Moyes which isn’t a bad thing, and if he can operate in the transfer market like Moyes did on a very small budget then we have a manager who will steady the ship and move us forward and give us the stability to create a squad with stronger foundations so we aren’t fighting relegation battles every season. He’s definitely got the backing of the fans and hopefully a new board of directors and if a new owner comes in all the better, so now it’s down to him with what I hope is pretty much a free reign to stamp his mark on the team. And who knows success on the pitch might make me embrace is style a whole lot more, winning has that effect on people, so I’m right behind him because to be honest I can’t really think of anyone else who I trust and we could get to take this challenge of building for the future on. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted yesterday at 10:40 Report Share Posted yesterday at 10:40 I wouldnt underestimate how well he did yesterday in playing without a recognised striker, left back or right back in such a massive game. It wasnt pretty but it didnt need to be and we should have won that by a couple. Compare that to the two abject performances against them earlier in the season and its chalk and cheese. Newty82, Matt, Romey 1878 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Matt Posted yesterday at 10:56 Popular Post Report Share Posted yesterday at 10:56 He has to be given a chance. His mentality fits what the fans want; hard work, gritty and pretty depending on the game, no bullshit talk. He needs a chance and we as fans need to be patient. Romey 1878, Newty82, Wiggytop and 7 others 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Shukes Posted yesterday at 11:25 Popular Post Report Share Posted yesterday at 11:25 At the start of his tenure fans were on here surprised at the attacking football he was playing. He has tried different options and still hasn’t been able to play a settled team. He has earned the right to have a summer of organisation and planning and get a few players in. I haven’t gave him enough time to make a proper judgement on him, as he has had an awful ride. But your damn right he has earned the opportunity to show us what he’s got! StevO, Matt, Newty82 and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted yesterday at 11:37 Report Share Posted yesterday at 11:37 49 minutes ago, Bailey said: Compare that to the two abject performances against them earlier in the season and its chalk and cheese. I never compare games against the same team previously with the present, every scenario is completely different no 2 games can be the same in all aspects, so for me seems futile to try and make comparisons every game should be judged on the merits of it’s own merits and not compared to games that have no comparison bar being the same 2 clubs involved. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted yesterday at 11:46 Report Share Posted yesterday at 11:46 I think I'll have a cup of tea and some Dychegestive biscuits. Shukes, Palfy, Matt and 2 others 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted yesterday at 12:28 Report Share Posted yesterday at 12:28 41 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: I think I'll have a cup of tea and some Dychegestive biscuits. Oooh...or a Ginger Nut. Palfy, Matt, StevO and 2 others 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted yesterday at 18:49 Report Share Posted yesterday at 18:49 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12136751/Farhad-Moshiri-understand-Evertons-survival-wasnt-magic-wand.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad all over Posted yesterday at 20:25 Report Share Posted yesterday at 20:25 Everton's manager didn't look pleased or relieved as he mulled over the 1-0 defeat of Bournemouth that retained their Premier League status. He was stony-faced, business-like and the message cut right to the heart of everything that has left this club continually listing. Hits the nail on the head, actually for a manager Sean is business-like. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted 13 hours ago Report Share Posted 13 hours ago https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/sean-dyche-everton-premier-league-27016038 Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted 12 hours ago Author Report Share Posted 12 hours ago To give him credit, it’s probably the first time I’ve seen him interview that tells us things we suspect and want to know about. I’ve gotten tired of his defensive prickly contrary approach. We were so close to going down. So fookin close. The lack of correct players is criminal, how did we do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted 12 hours ago Report Share Posted 12 hours ago https://www.goodisonnews.com/2023/05/30/everton-want-celebrity-boss-as-farhad-moshiri-rumours-emerge/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted 12 hours ago Author Report Share Posted 12 hours ago 38 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: https://www.goodisonnews.com/2023/05/30/everton-want-celebrity-boss-as-farhad-moshiri-rumours-emerge/ Without doubt this is a kenwright hit piece - yet again. He is trying to get the fans against moshiri, moshiri doesn’t have many supporters but kenwright is desperately trying to make moshiri look the bad guy. This is getting ridiculous now. Absolutely farcical Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted 11 hours ago Report Share Posted 11 hours ago 23 minutes ago, Hafnia said: Without doubt this is a kenwright hit piece - yet again. He is trying to get the fans against moshiri, moshiri doesn’t have many supporters but kenwright is desperately trying to make moshiri look the bad guy. This is getting ridiculous now. Absolutely farcical That's a clickbait uni-student article, nothing more. Bailey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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