Sean Dyche

[RuffRob]

Dyche has made a fairly big call in leaving Gray out of the starting line and you have to say overall the 'team' has been better off from it.

He is using McNeil so much better than Lampard. I would love to see the DCL that Ancelotti had in this team.

 

[Newty82]

Gotta be honest, in the 2 home games we've played in a style that has surprised me. We look to try to play fast direct football...mostly on the grass!

 

I'm hoping the confidence boost from the wins will lead to a more cutting edge in front of goal. Yeah, we'll never score loads with our front line but hopefully we can score 2 sometimes

[Matt]

26 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

We just don’t score goals. That’s the fear. We would look a totally different side with goal threat 

I completely get what you mean, but we've scored 2, won 2. They'll be hard to come by without a proper presence but smash and grab + clean sheets is fine for the rest of this season. 

[Gwlad all over]

1 hour ago, Matt said:

6 points from 3 games under Dyche, 2 clean sheets and only 2 goals conceded. 

I know, I know, don't get carried away. But this squad just isn't as bad as people think it it. I'll keep saying it over and over because that's the reality

Essentially what Dyche has been saying since he arrived. That must give the players confidence.

[Matt]

9 minutes ago, Gwlad all over said:

Essentially what Dyche has been saying since he arrived. That must give the players confidence.

And what I've been saying since Ancelotti. They've just been pampered too much and not had any direction. 

[Romey 1878]

1 hour ago, Matt said:

I completely get what you mean, but we've scored 2, won 2. They'll be hard to come by without a proper presence but smash and grab + clean sheets is fine for the rest of this season. 

It's not fucking fine for my nerves, I feel like I'm dying over and over.

At this point I'm a reanimated corpse and it's only 3 games into it .

[Hafnia]

2 hours ago, Matt said:

I completely get what you mean, but we've scored 2, won 2. They'll be hard to come by without a proper presence but smash and grab + clean sheets is fine for the rest of this season. 

It’s gonna be excruciating. Mark my words. 

[Matt]

6 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

It’s gonna be excruciating. Mark my words. 

So be it. Don't care if it means survival. 

[Hafnia]

12 minutes ago, Matt said:

So be it. Don't care if it means survival. 

I don’t but we are a striker away from being a solid team. 

[dunlopp9987]

1 hour ago, Hafnia said:

I don’t but we are a striker away from being a solid team. 

Haf, tell us how you really feel about us not bringing in a striker in January

[Hafnia]

26 minutes ago, dunlopp9987 said:

Haf, tell us how you really feel about us not bringing in a striker in January

I’ve kept a lid on it so far…….

[Bailey]

Its not even like its just a striker. Anyone that can put the ball in the back of the net would be great. Our best chances fell to our midfielders in that second half when I bet it would have been a different outcome if they fell to Maupay or Simms. 

[Btay]

Been impressed with Dyche and the approach he has taken as I was fearing a bit of a Fat Sam approach. There’s still room for improvement in certain areas but 2 clean sheets, 2 wins from 3. Hopefully a positive result from the Villa game we will start to see some confidence come back in to the team which could be the difference with some of the half chances we are creating.

All in all if he can keep us up this year it’s a massive job well done. We will have to back him in the summer market, at this rate if we can add goals to the team we will be competitive.

[Sibdane]

3 hours ago, Btay said:

Been impressed with Dyche and the approach he has taken as I was fearing a bit of a Fat Sam approach. There’s still room for improvement in certain areas but 2 clean sheets, 2 wins from 3. Hopefully a positive result from the Villa game we will start to see some confidence come back in to the team which could be the difference with some of the half chances we are creating.

All in all if he can keep us up this year it’s a massive job well done. We will have to back him in the summer market, at this rate if we can add goals to the team we will be competitive.

I was thinking the same. Only thing I’m worried about is our goals(two) since hiring Dyche are coming from non-traditional goal scoring positions. We’ve been slightly lucky and need to figure out how to get goals from the attackers. 

[Btay]

4 hours ago, Sibdane said:

I was thinking the same. Only thing I’m worried about is our goals(two) since hiring Dyche are coming from non-traditional goal scoring positions. We’ve been slightly lucky and need to figure out how to get goals from the attackers. 

It’s a fair point but when you look at some of the chances we are creating - a lot of balls going across the face of goal and even the pull back to Onana. I really believe when the players have their confidence back you start getting people on the end of those crosses or the ball finds the top corner. We’re a work in progress but it’s refreshing to see an organised team with a clear direction on how to play.

[Aidan]

I expected us to play a lot of long balls and be resolute in defence, which we have been. We have however played some okay stuff along the ground, often out of defensive areas, more than I thought. Once the players get more confident, I think we will see more of this, but always with one eye on the long ball.

I think with Dom scores a goal yesterday if he's in the team. A lot of good balls in dangerous areas which Maupay and co didn't fancy attacking. Dom does make those runs on the 6 yard box and we've seen him nearly score a couple like that already under Dyche.

6 points out of 9 with 3 very difficult fixtures. I think everybody would have taken that prior to the games. Villa at home next week, who have lost their last 3 and will be feeling a bit of pressure. I think we can get 3 points out of that game. If we do it puts us in very good position prior to going to the Emirates, and then two winnable games after that against Forrest and Brentford. In a ideal world, if we get at least 7 points out of those 4 games, the table looks a whole lot different.

[Aidan]

Just on a sidenote some of the teams around us have difficult fixtures coming up in the next 4 games.

Palace - Liverpool & City

Forrest - Everton, Tottenham, Newcastle

Leicester - United, Arsenal, Chelsea

Wolves - Fulham, Liverpool, Tottenham, Newcastle

Bournemouth - City, Arsenal, Liverpool

 

I think we could see Bournemouth and/or Wolves plummet to the bottom 3 after these games.

[Romey 1878]

He said this after the game on MOTD

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"Scoring goals in this industry takes freedom and there is tightness in the box. If you shoot and you miss. I'm not bothered - as long as you shoot. 

And it wasn't just bullshit either. I watched him a few times after we didn't convert a chance we'd carved out and he was making sure the players seen him applauding the effort.

[Hafnia]

2 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

He said this after the game on MOTD

And it wasn't just bullshit either. I watched him a few times after we didn't convert a chance we'd carved out and he was making sure the players seen him applauding the effort.

Totally agree with this. When things are tight and on the line the pressure to do things like that make the truly elite players so valuable. 
 

this is why it’s really important we get a few points breathing space from bottom 3 if possible.  Hopefully then the ability to play with less fear traps more goals. 

[Wiggytop]

8 hours ago, Sibdane said:

I was thinking the same. Only thing I’m worried about is our goals(two) since hiring Dyche are coming from non-traditional goal scoring positions. We’ve been slightly lucky and need to figure out how to get goals from the attackers. 

I think goals will come, we had two chances cleared off the line in the space of 2 seconds on first half, a good header saved, Maupay had a nice turn and shot on target in 2nd half, a bit of composure from Doucoure and McNeil late on would have produced goals, whilst it certainly wasn’t comfortable yesterday, I think it will improve under Dyches guidance.

[Matt]

12 hours ago, Btay said:

Been impressed with Dyche and the approach he has taken as I was fearing a bit of a Fat Sam approach. There’s still room for improvement in certain areas but 2 clean sheets, 2 wins from 3. Hopefully a positive result from the Villa game we will start to see some confidence come back in to the team which could be the difference with some of the half chances we are creating.

All in all if he can keep us up this year it’s a massive job well done. We will have to back him in the summer market, at this rate if we can add goals to the team we will be competitive.

I know what you're saying but he was never going to be a Fat Twat approach, he isn't remotely the same character. 

Just hope that once he's got us safe we don't sack him for a fancy name and give him a chance to build. I'm sure he can do pretty and exciting football too. 

[Wiggytop]

6 minutes ago, Matt said:

Just hope that once he's got us safe we don't sack him for a fancy name and give him a chance to build. I'm sure he can do pretty and exciting football too. 

Me too, we need a few years of stability with a manager, I reckon he could get some decent cup runs and possibly Europa league if he has some money to use.

[Palfy]

2 hours ago, Matt said:

I know what you're saying but he was never going to be a Fat Twat approach, he isn't remotely the same character. 

Just hope that once he's got us safe we don't sack him for a fancy name and give him a chance to build. I'm sure he can do pretty and exciting football too. 

If Moshiri sells in the next 6 months we could end up with owners who think differently, and want to bring their own man in. 

[Matt]

54 minutes ago, Palfy said:

If Moshiri sells in the next 6 months we could end up with owners who think differently, and want to bring their own man in. 

Moshiri isn't going to sell up completely 

[Palfy]

7 minutes ago, Matt said:

Moshiri isn't going to sell up completely 

Who knows that for sure, but if he sells a big chunk to the American sports investors, it's also for them to take over a lot of the running of the club. Nobody really knows how or to what extent things will change, so we will just have to wait and see what develops, but let's hope something good and positive comes out of the next chapter of our story.  

[Gwlad all over]

Since Sean came in I've felt the press giving us a slightly easier time. I think they loved to mock our failure with so-called marquee managers (probably because they knew the board were failures).  Dyche is different, down to earth and gives the press time and respect. I never disliked him as an opposing manager.

[Btay]

6 hours ago, Matt said:

I know what you're saying but he was never going to be a Fat Twat approach, he isn't remotely the same character. 

Just hope that once he's got us safe we don't sack him for a fancy name and give him a chance to build. I'm sure he can do pretty and exciting football too. 

Not the same character but the perception of “his” football was always boring 442. He’s really surprised me with how he has set us up to play.

I agree and hope we stick with him and give him a real chance to build a team here.

[Romey 1878]

I'm being won around. It's been a decent enough first three games (results-wise) that I can feel some hope returning.

The pain begins now, doesn't it? 

[Matt]

4 hours ago, Palfy said:

Who knows that for sure, but if he sells a big chunk to the American sports investors, it's also for them to take over a lot of the running of the club. Nobody really knows how or to what extent things will change, so we will just have to wait and see what develops, but let's hope something good and positive comes out of the next chapter of our story.  

I'm quite confident in my statement. He'll sell up to 49% so he can give enough power to the others to run the club properly and for him to still get the credit if it goes well. 

[badaids]

We are starting to look like a threat from set pieces. I can't remember the last time we were. Good work Sean.

[Cornish Steve]

On 19/02/2023 at 07:21, Matt said:

Just hope that once he's got us safe we don't sack him for a fancy name and give him a chance to build.

Potter? He was a favorite here not so long ago.

[Matt]

1 hour ago, Cornish Steve said:

Potter? He was a favorite here not so long ago.

No. One of the biggest reasons we are where we are is because we keep chopping and changing. Most were willing to put up with Lampard because of this until it went too far. He needs to stay as long as possible, especially if the impact is positive. 

[Shukes]

2 hours ago, Matt said:

No. One of the biggest reasons we are where we are is because we keep chopping and changing. Most were willing to put up with Lampard because of this until it went too far. He needs to stay as long as possible, especially if the impact is positive. 

Yes we can’t keep expecting managers to come in and make poor to average players turn into worldies.

We need to work with a manager and his project, give them support and build a team.

[Cornish Steve]

3 hours ago, Matt said:

No. One of the biggest reasons we are where we are is because we keep chopping and changing. Most were willing to put up with Lampard because of this until it went too far. He needs to stay as long as possible, especially if the impact is positive. 

Totally agree. My comment was more about not chasing the latest shiny object. They can soon tarnish. 

[StevO]

On 19/02/2023 at 19:16, Btay said:

Not the same character but the perception of “his” football was always boring 442. He’s really surprised me with how he has set us up to play.

It’s an easy and lazy assumption that’s made about him all of the time. It’ll take about ten minutes on YouTube to see that’s not how he plays football, but journalists like the easy and lazy approach. 

Anyone who seen Burnley over his last few years will have seen he wasn’t just a 442 long ball merchant, they ripped through our team on enough occasions by playing a bit of football. 
 

He works with the tools he’s got and plays to his players strengths. It’s a hell of an effective way of doing things. I don’t know why more managers don’t try it. 

[Btay]

3 minutes ago, StevO said:

It’s an easy and lazy assumption that’s made about him all of the time. It’ll take about ten minutes on YouTube to see that’s not how he plays football, but journalists like the easy and lazy approach. 

Anyone who seen Burnley over his last few years will have seen he wasn’t just a 442 long ball merchant, they ripped through our team on enough occasions by playing a bit of football. 
 

He works with the tools he’s got and plays to his players strengths. It’s a hell of an effective way of doing things. I don’t know why more managers don’t try it. 

Yeah I was 100% guilty of it as I hadn’t really payed much attention to him to be honest.

I’m enjoying him as our manager, he’s extremely down to earth & I find him to be quite likeable. Tactically though he’s gotten things spot on so far (liverpool excused) and long may it continue.

[Hafnia]

Hopefully we stay up obviously and continue to climb away from trouble.

my thoughts will then be on “what’s next - how do we do surgery on this team and get our minimum quality levels to be higher than relegation candidates”

for me we are reliant on a seriously strong transfer window. We need goals, a target man, pace. It’s going to require some strong analytics and bravery to pull players from markets that aren’t the premier league. 
 

hopefully then we can see what dyche can do with a strong side. 

[Formby]

Think that must be a first. Two pages of positive posts. A win against Villa and we'll be talking about top 4.  

[Formby]

12 hours ago, StevO said:

It’s an easy and lazy assumption that’s made about him all of the time. It’ll take about ten minutes on YouTube to see that’s not how he plays football, but journalists like the easy and lazy approach. 

Anyone who seen Burnley over his last few years will have seen he wasn’t just a 442 long ball merchant, they ripped through our team on enough occasions by playing a bit of football. 
 

He works with the tools he’s got and plays to his players strengths. It’s a hell of an effective way of doing things. I don’t know why more managers don’t try it. 

I think this particular contrast between perception and reality is known as a Dycheotomy, Steve. 

[dunlopp9987]

6 minutes ago, Formby said:

I think this particular contrast between perception and reality is known as a Dycheotomy, Steve. 

I want to applaud and boo this simultaneously. 

That's how you know you've done a good job.

[Bailey]

20 hours ago, Shukes said:

Yes we can’t keep expecting managers to come in and make poor to average players turn into worldies.

We need to work with a manager and his project, give them support and build a team.

It is just important that we give the right manager time. It became pretty clear, pretty quickly that Lampard was never going to be that man.

Dyche has started really well and we look so much more organised and if that continues, that is something the club need to support and let him build upon until he can't take us any further.

[Gwlad all over]

He's focused on the job in hand to stay up. If that happens I guess he will know who he wants to work with from the current squad and he and Thelwell can go after players that fit into his style of playing 

[Sibdane]

I'm still in the skeptical camp, but he's done very well in 2 of 3 games in charge. We need to see some sustained success though. I'm probably just cynical after the last few managers, but I'm also feeling a little bit of hope again. Let's avoid relegation and see where he can take us. 

[Goodison Glory]

2 hours ago, Bailey said:

It is just important that we give the right manager time. It became pretty clear, pretty quickly that Lampard was never going to be that man.

Dyche has started really well and we look so much more organised and if that continues, that is something the club need to support and let him build upon until he can't take us any further.

How do you define "Pretty Quickly"?

I seem to recall just as many positive vibes about FL at this stage as there are about Dyche (3 games in). I remember even when we were losing under FL we were fairly positive given how he really gets the club, he has the passion and charisma to unite the fans/board/players...then again, in the summer there was a lot of optimism despite knowing that he was in charge. 

I won't disagree that FL was ultimately not the man for the job but I can't say the majority on here were up in arms at him "pretty quickly" as being the wrong person. 

I am still on the fence with Dyche for that very reason. Nothing to do with him as a manager (I am 100% behind him). It is more that we have seen so many false dawns recently (given the amount of new managers we have had)

As fans, we have been at such a low ebb with how previous regime(s) ended that we are all too eager to anoint the new manager as the savior (the same happened with FL)

[Bailey]

21 hours ago, Goodison Glory said:

How do you define "Pretty Quickly"?

I seem to recall just as many positive vibes about FL at this stage as there are about Dyche (3 games in). I remember even when we were losing under FL we were fairly positive given how he really gets the club, he has the passion and charisma to unite the fans/board/players...then again, in the summer there was a lot of optimism despite knowing that he was in charge. 

I won't disagree that FL was ultimately not the man for the job but I can't say the majority on here were up in arms at him "pretty quickly" as being the wrong person. 

I am still on the fence with Dyche for that very reason. Nothing to do with him as a manager (I am 100% behind him). It is more that we have seen so many false dawns recently (given the amount of new managers we have had)

As fans, we have been at such a low ebb with how previous regime(s) ended that we are all too eager to anoint the new manager as the savior (the same happened with FL)

I had my concerns last season because the football was atrocious and then it didn't improve this season after his signings.

[Romey 1878]

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/exclusive-steven-defour-reveals-private-26291013

[RuffRob]

19 hours ago, Bailey said:

I had my concerns last season because the football was atrocious and then it didn't improve this season after his signings.

I was very difficult to access him last season given the whole situation and being in the fight of our lives. A few things I liked about Lampard last season was he did try his preferred style to to play and when it didn't work he adapted and went more solid and defensive. 

I like the talk and action of bringing in more robust players in to the squad who didn't eat up our wage bill on the treatment table.  I did like the spirit he help manufacture and he definitely brought the playing side and fans together. I think there was a lot of good think done with Lampard in place. 

This season started promising, but like you said it didn't really developed and the not so great football (or results) we had at the backend of last season in a relegation battle was becoming the norm. Lampard's inexperience and perhaps limited ability in the 90min of a game was getting more and more exposed in each games. 

I think the hope a lot of people had was that Lampard's game plan set up and game management would improve with the team, but sadly for all concerned it didn't.

I think with Dyche - we may not have ended up with the most 'fashionable' or 'headline' person for the job, but we may have ended up with one of the most suitable for our needs and purpose. There could be a definite lesson in there for us as a club.

[RuffRob]

just listening to Dyche's latest press conference. He is definitely a lot more 'to the point' than Lampard was in delivering pretty much the same stock answer. 

[Gwlad all over]

I like him more and more. Very decisive in his answers, no messing.

[Goodison Glory]

What was he saying about DCL - out for this game also?

[Matt]

Just now, Goodison Glory said:

What was he saying about DCL - out for this game also?

Yup

[Romey 1878]

Just now, Goodison Glory said:

What was he saying about DCL - out for this game also?

He said it was unlikely he'd be ready for this one.

[Sibdane]

15 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

He said it was unlikely he'd be ready for this one.

We have to figure out a new striker situation in the summer, and we’ll also need to figure out a solid backup. DCL is beyond unreliable for a season campaign at this point. 

[Bailey]

On 23/02/2023 at 10:32, RuffRob said:

I was very difficult to access him last season given the whole situation and being in the fight of our lives. A few things I liked about Lampard last season was he did try his preferred style to to play and when it didn't work he adapted and went more solid and defensive. 

I like the talk and action of bringing in more robust players in to the squad who didn't eat up our wage bill on the treatment table.  I did like the spirit he help manufacture and he definitely brought the playing side and fans together. I think there was a lot of good think done with Lampard in place. 

This season started promising, but like you said it didn't really developed and the not so great football (or results) we had at the backend of last season in a relegation battle was becoming the norm. Lampard's inexperience and perhaps limited ability in the 90min of a game was getting more and more exposed in each games. 

I think the hope a lot of people had was that Lampard's game plan set up and game management would improve with the team, but sadly for all concerned it didn't.

I think with Dyche - we may not have ended up with the most 'fashionable' or 'headline' person for the job, but we may have ended up with one of the most suitable for our needs and purpose. There could be a definite lesson in there for us as a club.

I disagree with the first bit. Poor tactics are poor tactics whether you are top or bottom. I wouldn't say we ended up being any more solid and defensive as we still conceded too many chances and goals. Ill also add that the same issues that got him the sack at Chelsea, were the same issues that got him the sack at Everton.

The players he signed did still cost a lot in wages. Onana and Tarkowski in particular are two of our highest earners, more than doubling the cost of the wages Richarlison was on. Alli will be on a lot too.

I just didn't see the real promise at the start of the season. We created little and still gave away chances. Same as the end of the season before with 6 or so new signings.

He clearly needed to be given a chance to rebuild after last season but as I have said before, the signings he made combined with how he wanted to play just didn't make sense and we were seeing exactly the same patterns both in attack and defence as we did at the end of last season. 

I think Lampard got a lot of extra credit because he was a "good guy", had a relationship with the fans and probably also because he replaced the universally hated Benitez. 

[Palfy]

11 hours ago, Sibdane said:

We have to figure out a new striker situation in the summer, and we’ll also need to figure out a solid backup. DCL is beyond unreliable for a season campaign at this point. 

We should have done that last summer and definitely in January, what's happened with DCL is nothing new, but what is new that we seemed to have witnessed is that Thelwell who had month's of planning with numerous players targeted, failed a long with his owner and directors to secure one deal. 

[Newty82]

Again, today, pleasantly surprised and pleased with how we are trying to play football. I think now there is enough evidence of the intent.

We all know our vulnerabilities. At least we're going to be putting up a fight though.

[Btay]

8 hours ago, Palfy said:

We should have done that last summer and definitely in January, what's happened with DCL is nothing new, but what is new that we seemed to have witnessed is that Thelwell who had month's of planning with numerous players targeted, failed a long with his owner and directors to secure one deal. 

Made his job a lot harder by sacking Lampard halfway through the transfer window.

Dyche has us playing much better football, the chances we created should have resulted in 2/3 goals against Villa. He can only do so much with what he’s got. 

[Hafnia]

I’ve got no issues at all with dyche and actually think if we go down he’s the right man to get us back up. 
 

but it’s a fuckin piss take that we nearly missed out on him due to moshiri being moshiri and also the fact that he should have been in place pre World Cup. 

[Wiggytop]

4 hours ago, Hafnia said:

I’ve got no issues at all with dyche and actually think if we go down he’s the right man to get us back up. 
 

but it’s a fuckin piss take that we nearly missed out on him due to moshiri being moshiri and also the fact that he should have been in place pre World Cup. 

Very true, all the damage has been done pre SD, I still think we’ll scrape through, there’s so many other teams within a few points, and he’s got the mental aptitude to lead us through.

[Hafnia]

17 minutes ago, Wiggytop said:

Very true, all the damage has been done pre SD, I still think we’ll scrape through, there’s so many other teams within a few points, and he’s got the mental aptitude to lead us through.

The absolute frustration for me is that if we had a big striker who was half decent we would be clear of the drop zone.  One player…. One fuckin player.