Gylfi Sigurðsson

[chicagoblue]

2 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

I love Gylfi and want him to stay.  I will gladly be a pete0, palfy, Sam allardyce, etc

But he's literally the symbol of where Everton went wrong. Everything about his transfer is now embedded in the failings of the club. 

 

[Palfy]

2 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

I love Gylfi and want him to stay.  I will gladly be a pete0, palfy, Sam allardyce, etc

We would be happy to have you mate, the forum is a better place when you stand by your beliefs and don’t run with the crowd

[Shukes]

13 hours ago, Palfy said:

We would be happy to have you mate, the forum is a better place when you stand by your beliefs and don’t run with the crowd

Copying PeteO doesn’t mean you two are a crowd mate….. just a married couple

[markjazzbassist]

20/21 8 goals 10 assists

19/20 3 goals 3 assists

18/19 14 goals 7 assists

17/18 6 goals 5 assists

 

in all comps

 

like it or not he's scoring and he's creating and he looks good while doing it.  i liked him before he got here so i'm happily biased, but he's not the problem.

[Bailey]

25 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

20/21 8 goals 10 assists

19/20 3 goals 3 assists

18/19 14 goals 7 assists

17/18 6 goals 5 assists

 

in all comps

 

like it or not he's scoring and he's creating and he looks good while doing it.  i liked him before he got here so i'm happily biased, but he's not the problem.

In the league:

20/21 - 3 goals and 1 assist from open play in 2,250 minutes of game time.

19/20 - 1 goal and 1 assist from open play in 2,580 minutes of game time.

18/19 - 10 goals and 4 assists from open play in 3,150 minutes of game time.

17/18 - 4 goals and 2 assists from open play in 2,265 minutes of game time.

 

Just as a quick comparison, in three seasons Bernard has played 3,851 minutes in the league and contributed 5 goals and 3 assists from open play. Walcott, in three season, played 4,644 minutes and registered 8 goals and 8 assists. Walcott (290) has a better goal involvement to minute ration that Siggy (394) and if you take out Gylfi's 18/19 season, Bernard (481) has a better goal involvement to minute ratio then him as well (591). Neither of these two were good enough.

Gylfi has had one productive season at Everton. I don't see how having your most attacking midfielder only register 8 goals and 4 assists from open play in those three other seasons isn't a big problem.

[markjazzbassist]

10 minutes ago, Bailey said:

In the league:

20/21 - 3 goals and 1 assist from open play in 2,250 minutes of game time.

19/20 - 1 goal and 1 assist from open play in 2,580 minutes of game time.

18/19 - 10 goals and 4 assists from open play in 3,150 minutes of game time.

17/18 - 4 goals and 2 assists from open play in 2,265 minutes of game time.

 

Just as a quick comparison, in three seasons Bernard has played 3,851 minutes in the league and contributed 5 goals and 3 assists from open play. Walcott, in three season, played 4,644 minutes and registered 8 goals and 8 assists. Walcott (290) has a better goal involvement to minute ration that Siggy (394) and if you take out Gylfi's 18/19 season, Bernard (481) has a better goal involvement to minute ratio then him as well (591). Neither of these two were good enough.

Gylfi has had one productive season at Everton. I don't see how having your most attacking midfielder only register 8 goals and 4 assists from open play in those three other seasons isn't a big problem.

again this fascination with open play.  a lot of the game is played from a dead ball, why remove that stuff?  sure i could cherry pick stats like you do all day long to prove my point, or i could look at it holistically, he contributes.  

[Sibdane]

8 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

again this fascination with open play.  a lot of the game is played from a dead ball, why remove that stuff?  sure i could cherry pick stats like you do all day long to prove my point, or i could look at it holistically, he contributes.  

Most of the game isn't though? A dead ball specialist is a bonus and not a great indicator of success. 

And I'm not really convinced he's been more effective at dead balls than anyone else could've. 

[Hafnia]

Huge waste of money. Simple as that really. 

[markjazzbassist]

1 hour ago, Sibdane said:

Most of the games isn't though? A dead ball specialist is a bonus and not a great indicator of success. 

And I'm not really convinced he's been more effective at dead balls than anyone else could've. 

Baines was excellent at it and everyone talked about what a boon it was.  Gylfi does it and everyone says it’s not a big part of the game.  

[MikeO]

37 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

Baines was excellent at it and everyone talked about what a boon it was.  Gylfi does it and everyone says it’s not a big part of the game.  

Baines was also excellent at his day job so the comparison is moot, not to mention the fact that he was hugely better than Gylfi from set pieces anyway.

[Hafnia]

42 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

Baines was excellent at it and everyone talked about what a boon it was.  Gylfi does it and everyone says it’s not a big part of the game.  

Baines happened to wear the blue shirt with pride, got stuck in, always one of the players you knew was going to be one of the best on the pitch.

But yes, he took a great deadball too. 

[Palfy]

Ok so let’s say he up sticks gets on his camel and heads off to Saudi Arabia, were does that leave us he hasn’t been playing because he’s the worst player in his position in the team, we’ve got no one of any real quality to take his position, he will get a extension mainly due to we’ve got nothing else in reserve. 

[Wiggytop]

53 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

Baines was excellent at it and everyone talked about what a boon it was.  Gylfi does it and everyone says it’s not a big part of the game.  

Baines scored from free kicks as well as putting in free kicks and corners into the box, Siggy has yet to score from a free kick ( I’m fairly certain on this) not a great return from a so called dead ball specialist IMO. 
He is very good however at pointing during games.

[MikeO]

8 minutes ago, Wiggytop said:

Baines scored from free kicks as well as putting in free kicks and corners into the box, Siggy has yet to score from a free kick ( I’m fairly certain on this) not a great return from a so called dead ball specialist IMO. 
He is very good however at pointing during games.

Up there with the best in that respect, no question.

[London Blue]

1 minute ago, MikeO said:

Up there with the best in that respect, no question.

Philip Neville says "hold my shandy"

[Zoo 2.0]

*Enters thread*

*Sees Sigurdsson compared to Baines*

[Romey 1878]

Imagine comparing Gylfi to Baines .

[Bailey]

5 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

again this fascination with open play.  a lot of the game is played from a dead ball, why remove that stuff?  sure i could cherry pick stats like you do all day long to prove my point, or i could look at it holistically, he contributes.  

We have approximately half a dozen players that could fluff up their stats from dead ball situations. It makes an unfair comparison if one player takes corners, free kicks and penalties and another doesn't. 

Why shouldn't a players contribution from open play not be considered? 

 

 

[markjazzbassist]

3 hours ago, Bailey said:

We have approximately half a dozen players that could fluff up their stats from dead ball situations. It makes an unfair comparison if one player takes corners, free kicks and penalties and another doesn't. 

Why shouldn't a players contribution from open play not be considered? 

 

 

Because there is more to the game than open play.  Are we not counting strikers goals from corners now too? 
 

my point was Gylfi scores and assists. Others do not.  He is on dead ball duty for a reason.  He was for 3 (4?) managers.  
 

you may not like him, that’s fine.  You prefer Bernard, I do not.

[Palfy]

10 hours ago, Bailey said:

We have approximately half a dozen players that could fluff up their stats from dead ball situations. It makes an unfair comparison if one player takes corners, free kicks and penalties and another doesn't. 

Why shouldn't a players contribution from open play not be considered? 

 

 

It should also tell you that they are the best player in the team for dead ball situations, I would hardly call it fluffing up the stats. There are plenty of players who’s stats would look completely different if they didn’t take the free kicks corners and penalties, Beckham springs to mind and let’s say currently Ward-Prowse, take those attributes away from them and they would look very average in the stats department. 

[Hafnia]

13 hours ago, MikeO said:

Up there with the best in that respect, no question.

Thinking of the best pointers in my time as an Everton fan ........  Mike walker - he liked to point from the dug out and was incredibly shit. 

John Collins lived a point too .... Probably still practices to this day whilst looking in the mirror.

Then there was Neil Pointin ..... Ingeniously called "dissa" by his team mates. 

[Hafnia]

Just to put context on the importance of dead ball experts........ If they were that critical Vs the next best options then they would play till they are 45 

But they don't.  Beckham could probably still rattle in a ridiculous free kick and be one of the best in the game at it ...... That bit does not go.  Same with Baines. ..... The reality is once their ability to run has gone they are a liability. Which brings me back to Gylfi ..... His legs aren't there either. 

[markjazzbassist]

5 hours ago, Hafnia said:

Just to put context on the importance of dead ball experts........ If they were that critical Vs the next best options then they would play till they are 45 

But they don't.  Beckham could probably still rattle in a ridiculous free kick and be one of the best in the game at it ...... That bit does not go.  Same with Baines. ..... The reality is once their ability to run has gone they are a liability. Which brings me back to Gylfi ..... His legs aren't there either. 

beckham played until he was 38, which is much longer than the average footballer, bad analogy.

[StevO]

39 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

beckham played until he was 38, which is much longer than the average footballer, bad analogy.

Yeah but over on your side of the pond where football isn’t really football.

But, Haf is right anyway. 
 

You have to be a good footballer to get a place in a team, and being a dead ball specialist helps. But you have to be the good footballer first and foremost. 
Also, Gylfi hasn’t been particularly prolific with his dead ball skills since joining Everton. 

[Hafnia]

1 hour ago, markjazzbassist said:

beckham played until he was 38, which is much longer than the average footballer, bad analogy.

Why was he playing in a glorified pub football league and not an elite level league.....  If all you need is deadball ability surely he would be playing now?

You yourself talk about lack of pace and athleticism in the side ..... So why would we carry Gylfi who sprints slightly quicker than he jogs?   If his dead ball prowess was Beckham/Juninho level I could understand it, but as pointed out it's not even at Baines level. 

[markjazzbassist]

2 hours ago, StevO said:

Yeah but over on your side of the pond where football isn’t really football.

But, Haf is right anyway. 
 

You have to be a good footballer to get a place in a team, and being a dead ball specialist helps. But you have to be the good footballer first and foremost. 
Also, Gylfi hasn’t been particularly prolific with his dead ball skills since joining Everton. 

 

1 hour ago, Hafnia said:

Why was he playing in a glorified pub football league and not an elite level league.....  If all you need is deadball ability surely he would be playing now?

You yourself talk about lack of pace and athleticism in the side ..... So why would we carry Gylfi who sprints slightly quicker than he jogs?   If his dead ball prowess was Beckham/Juninho level I could understand it, but as pointed out it's not even at Baines level. 

His last season he was at Paris saint germain; hardly a pub league and not across the pond.  

[Palfy]

3 hours ago, Hafnia said:

Why was he playing in a glorified pub football league and not an elite level league.....  If all you need is deadball ability surely he would be playing now?

You yourself talk about lack of pace and athleticism in the side ..... So why would we carry Gylfi who sprints slightly quicker than he jogs?   If his dead ball prowess was Beckham/Juninho level I could understand it, but as pointed out it's not even at Baines level. 

My analogy of Beckham was in response to Bailey who believes that people who take the dead ball situations are somehow fiddling their stats and any number of players could do the same, anyone who’s played football at a decent level would respect a player with the ability to deliver a decent ball, to be able to bend a ball over or around a wall to have the confidence and belief to take pen after pen, of course it can’t be the only reason you are picked to play, but it has and still does form a large percentage of some players games, and it does for Gylfi when playing for us rightly or wrongly at this moment in time we don’t have another player in the team to truly replace him, that’s why I believe he will get an extension to his contract unless a viable replacement is found before that time arises. Do I think Gylfi is good enough no not really but I could also mention another 5-6 that aren’t good enough, but the reality is they play because we have no one better to replace them, hardly the fault of the players that lays squarely at the feet of others. 

[Haiku]

Digne on free kicks, Dom on penalties and suddenly we don't need Siggy anymore.

[Bailey]

2 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

 

His last season he was at Paris saint germain; hardly a pub league and not across the pond.  

It is a bit of a pub league and it is still across a pond

 

19 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

Because there is more to the game than open play.  Are we not counting strikers goals from corners now too? 
 

my point was Gylfi scores and assists. Others do not.  He is on dead ball duty for a reason.  He was for 3 (4?) managers.  
 

you may not like him, that’s fine.  You prefer Bernard, I do not.

It would certainly be a point of analysis. If your striker only scores from corners, they wouldnt be a good striker!

I don't like Bernard, it was just a quick comparison of one player that isn't good enough against another.

12 hours ago, Palfy said:

It should also tell you that they are the best player in the team for dead ball situations, I would hardly call it fluffing up the stats. There are plenty of players who’s stats would look completely different if they didn’t take the free kicks corners and penalties, Beckham springs to mind and let’s say currently Ward-Prowse, take those attributes away from them and they would look very average in the stats department. 

It is fluffing up their stats because there are plenty of others in the side that can do it. James and Digne are the obvious ones. If they took every free kick, corner and penalty Siggy would be left with the crap open play stats. 

With Ward-Prowse, his dead ball work is what sets him above other similar players. No doubt about that. He is also a very good player that contributes to the team all over the pitch. He doesn't need the goals and assists to know his worth. Whereas with Siggy it is the only thing you can say he does bring.

[StevO]

3 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

 

His last season he was at Paris saint germain; hardly a pub league and not across the pond.  

Sort of is a pub league though.