RuffRob Posted July 28, 2021 Report Share Posted July 28, 2021 1 hour ago, patto said: Still doesn’t make him worth twice as much as Richie and 400,000 a week it’s silly money and by the way I do think he’s a good player this sort of deal makes it even more imperative that FFP is scrapped the top teams are going further and further away from us. It is all silly money. But if a team is willing to pay that much then effectively he is 'worth that' - whether it value or not is another debate. If a club is willing to pay £160M for Kane and another team is only willing to pay £70M for Richy - then Kane IS worth more than twice what Richy . Kane's 20-30 goals a season might make the difference to winning the Premiership/CL or not, getting CL football or not. Richy is not that player (he might be one day, but might not - a lot of players 'might' be) It could also easily be argued that Kane gets roughly twice the goals and assists than Richy gets does - so is twice as effective as an offensive player. Richy's good, but he's not that good. I can't see anybody parting with £70M never minds upwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicagoblue Posted July 28, 2021 Report Share Posted July 28, 2021 Scarcity drives competition and drives prices. If the very top elite level players are all off the table (because they've re-signed, just been traded, on a 5 year deal etc) and if big teams still need a few players then the value of the players in the next bracket jump. For me Richy is probably in that "next bracket". He shouldn't be worth 70m in the market (based on goal/assist contributions) but if the right things fall into place he could become the best player available in the market for a period and his value could sky rocket. Anyway, I mostly suspect we've put that number on his head to dissuade interest this summer. He won't even be back until very late and we can't then be in a position of haggling with some late interest. We're setting out an unrealistic number early and hopefully making it clear to anyone with even a passing interest that it's early or never this summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post c1982 Posted July 28, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 28, 2021 11 hours ago, Aidan said: My guess is a reasonable fee would be around double what we paid. Real Madrid could get a lot more quality with £70m than Richarlison. There may be better at lower prices but we’d be getting our pants pulled down if we sold for £70m. He’s 24 scoring about 1 in 3, usually from the wing, in the most ‘competitive’ league and is a starter for Brazil. We need to play hardball with any team after Richarlison - there’s not many like him. markjazzbassist, pete0, MikeO and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffRob Posted July 28, 2021 Report Share Posted July 28, 2021 25 minutes ago, chicagoblue said: Scarcity drives competition and drives prices. If the very top elite level players are all off the table (because they've re-signed, just been traded, on a 5 year deal etc) and if big teams still need a few players then the value of the players in the next bracket jump. For me Richy is probably in that "next bracket". He shouldn't be worth 70m in the market (based on goal/assist contributions) but if the right things fall into place he could become the best player available in the market for a period and his value could sky rocket. Anyway, I mostly suspect we've put that number on his head to dissuade interest this summer. He won't even be back until very late and we can't then be in a position of haggling with some late interest. We're setting out an unrealistic number early and hopefully making it clear to anyone with even a passing interest that it's early or never this summer. I think the club might be quite happy to sell at a half decent price this summer if a good offer came in. Think he was always bought as somebody who we would hope would go up in value with a have decent resale value, we then sell and use funds to buy the likes of Baily/McNeil etc, and so on until the club have the pulling power and success and financial clout to keep hold of this type of player. I think that is how it should work in theory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted July 28, 2021 Report Share Posted July 28, 2021 33 minutes ago, c1982 said: There may be better at lower prices but we’d be getting our pants pulled down if we sold for £70m. He’s 24 scoring about 1 in 3, usually from the wing, in the most ‘competitive’ league and is a starter for Brazil. We need to play hardball with any team after Richarlison - there’s not many like him. this all the way. 100m+, kane is 28, richarlison is 4 years younger and still improving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyBlue Posted July 28, 2021 Report Share Posted July 28, 2021 1 hour ago, markjazzbassist said: this all the way. 100m+, kane is 28, richarlison is 4 years younger and still improving. Kane is light years ahead of him as a player at this point though. Richie also coming off a poor season by his standards. I think he’d have to have a season where he scored 15+goals from the wing to be near that price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffRob Posted July 28, 2021 Report Share Posted July 28, 2021 28 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said: this all the way. 100m+, kane is 28, richarlison is 4 years younger and still improving. £100M+!!! I don't believe there is any chance anybody is going to stump up that much for Richarlison. Not unless the market goes buserk or he has a much better and consistent season this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyBlue Posted July 28, 2021 Report Share Posted July 28, 2021 32 minutes ago, RuffRob said: £100M+!!! I don't believe there is any chance anybody is going to stump up that much for Richarlison. Not unless the market goes buserk or he has a much better and consistent season this year. It’s almost as if some bias exists in our player valuations. Other teams should be willing to pay a premium for our players while also giving us theirs on the cheap and taking the current members of our squad that we don’t want. Btay, RuffRob and markjazzbassist 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted July 28, 2021 Report Share Posted July 28, 2021 20 minutes ago, SpartyBlue said: It’s almost as if some bias exists in our player valuations. Other teams should be willing to pay a premium for our players while also giving us theirs on the cheap and taking the current members of our squad that we don’t want. Sounds good to me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad Posted July 28, 2021 Report Share Posted July 28, 2021 Are we missing the point that if his head is turned to the prospect of European football he might want to go? Yes I know contract and all that but money talks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted July 28, 2021 Report Share Posted July 28, 2021 I can't believe Kane keeps getting mentioned in this thread Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted July 29, 2021 Report Share Posted July 29, 2021 Or we keep him because he is a really important player for us. Not just his goals and assists, but his energy and the help he gives in defence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted July 29, 2021 Report Share Posted July 29, 2021 If we sell who we replace him with would be my issue. markjazzbassist, Btay and StevO 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted July 29, 2021 Report Share Posted July 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Palfy said: If we sell who we replace him with would be my issue. Yeah this is it. He was off last year but if we can get him firing how we all know he can he is easily capable of 15-20 goals a year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffRob Posted July 29, 2021 Report Share Posted July 29, 2021 The problem is if a good offer comes in for him, say from Real Madrid, I am quite sure he will push the club for a move. I seem to remember last year it being about him giving us another year, but that year has passed. Don't get me wrong I like him, think he is a good player and want him at the club. But I am also aware that he could bring in a decent fee, and a pot of money to spend on hungry quality youngster might be as useful as a want away Richarlison. If he does want to move and is tired after a busy summer, how do you get him firing to get you 15-20 easier said than done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted July 29, 2021 Report Share Posted July 29, 2021 5 hours ago, Palfy said: If we sell who we replace him with would be my issue. We won’t, it will be like lukaku. Especially now that we are strapped financially. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted July 29, 2021 Report Share Posted July 29, 2021 45 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said: We won’t, it will be like lukaku. Especially now that we are strapped financially. We are only strapped financially because of FFP, so if we were to sell him we would be able to spend the money. The hard bit is convincing a top player to join the club. Bailey, Palfy, Matt and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted July 29, 2021 Report Share Posted July 29, 2021 10 minutes ago, StevO said: We are only strapped financially because of FFP, so if we were to sell him we would be able to spend the money. The hard bit is convincing a top player to join the club. Exactly mate it’s one thing having the money it’s another trying to spend it wisely. He will ultimately make his own decision on whether he staying or going and if the latter he will force the move, we will have to be strong on the price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted July 29, 2021 Report Share Posted July 29, 2021 58 minutes ago, StevO said: We are only strapped financially because of FFP, so if we were to sell him we would be able to spend the money. The hard bit is convincing a top player to join the club. Which is why it’s better to keep him. I also don’t trust Rafa with 100m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad Posted July 29, 2021 Report Share Posted July 29, 2021 5 hours ago, RuffRob said: I seem to remember last year it being about him giving us another year, but that year has passed. Ancelotti was in charge and everyone was hoping for European football, different now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 29, 2021 Report Share Posted July 29, 2021 4 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: Which is why it’s better to keep him. I also don’t trust Rafa with 100m. Just as well we have a DoF then MikeO, Btay, StevO and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted July 29, 2021 Report Share Posted July 29, 2021 3 hours ago, Matt said: Just as well we have a DoF then Don’t trust him either with it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted July 30, 2021 Report Share Posted July 30, 2021 I think he's fantastic, although in the same breath can be one of our most frustrating players. His attitude can be petulant and I feel that was his biggest issue towards the end of the last campaign. After his numbers last year I doubt anyone would take a gamble on him, hopefully he fires for us this season coming and we get a huge fee for him if he is wanting to leave. Shukes and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted July 31, 2021 Report Share Posted July 31, 2021 He is a very passionate player and this sometimes boils over in his attitude. But one thing I would say is that he always gives his all on the pitch. I honestly don’t think we can get the money to make it worth losing him. Better to keep him and use him to help build up our profile. Palfy, StevO and London Blue 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 1, 2021 Report Share Posted August 1, 2021 https://www.evertonfc.com/news/2202801/richarlison-shines-as-brazil-book-spot-in-olympic-semis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted August 3, 2021 Report Share Posted August 3, 2021 On 01/08/2021 at 08:54, Romey 1878 said: https://www.evertonfc.com/news/2202801/richarlison-shines-as-brazil-book-spot-in-olympic-semis Into the final after beating Mexico in shoot-out after 0-0 draw, Richy played 120 mins and hit the post with about ten minutes left. He didn't take a pen but Brazil only needed to take four to win it so he may well have been scheduled to take the fifth. Romey 1878 and Shukes 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunlopp9987 Posted August 7, 2021 Report Share Posted August 7, 2021 Skied his penalty in the gold medal game. Tied 1-1 at the moment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted August 7, 2021 Report Share Posted August 7, 2021 Gone into extra time, and I hope he's not our penalty taker this season with Sigurdsson not available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted August 7, 2021 Report Share Posted August 7, 2021 Subbed off with seven minutes left and Brazil 2-1 up, seems he'll be coming home with a shiny gold medal and as the tournament's top scorer! Happy for him, he might even crack a smile for once. Matt, Sibdane, Shukes and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted August 7, 2021 Report Share Posted August 7, 2021 Congratulations Richarlison. Olympic gold medal winner. Thoroughly deserved Richie…. We’ll done!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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