Bill Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 2 hours ago, nogs said: If Barca have come in for him, then let's face it his head will have been turned. We'd be mad to sell now but it will be one to watch in the summer. Sadly given the lack of activity this window I think we're also in a position where we need to sell to buy. They will have Suarez back in Summer and Richy is not in the same class. markjazzbassist and Palfy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 If we are going to play him wide then I'd take the money but behind the striker, not a chance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbanyNYToffee Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 12 hours ago, Hafnia said: You don't bring in a manager who is experienced in managing elite level players at the highest level and sell one of your only elite level players and leave him with £80m to try and convince elite level players to sign and join the abundance of mercenaries we've got stinking our club out. If we wanna raise £80m then sell pickford, schneiderlein, Walcott, niasse, gylfi, Keane and You will find you free up £25m a year in wages too. I say pickford because we could sell him and replace for alot less and get a more emotionally reliable keeper. The only reason to keep him is shot stopping..... and it ain't great enough to exclude his shortfalls in other areas. Nailed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 12 hours ago, Matt said: Agree with all that except Pickford He may be worth £40m in this crazy market...... the reality is he's not worth near that IMO. Too much of a liability. StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 19 minutes ago, Hafnia said: He may be worth £40m in this crazy market...... the reality is he's not worth near that IMO. Too much of a liability. He’s worth double that in this market. He’s a very good keeper and there aren’t any that we could attract that would be of the same quality let alone improve on MikeO, StevO and pete0 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Matt said: He’s worth double that in this market. He’s a very good keeper and there aren’t any that we could attract that would be of the same quality let alone improve on If the truly shite Kepa was bought for close to £80m then he’s easy worth that. Matt, markjazzbassist and StevO 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 On 29/01/2020 at 20:53, Palfy said: Besic Sandro Vlasic and you would have money over for Bolassie and Niasse Besic and Vlasic would have been better than what we have at the moment Matt, StevO, Btay and 2 others 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 10 minutes ago, Bill said: Besic and Vlasic would have been better than what we have at the moment So would Klaassen, we’ve had some good players here who didn’t get fair chance and looked lacking because of poor managers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 38 minutes ago, Bill said: Besic and Vlasic would have been better than what we have at the moment Id even add in lookman. He hasn’t set it on fire in the German league but he could have easily contributed as much as walcott. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 50 minutes ago, Matt said: He’s worth double that in this market. He’s a very good keeper and there aren’t any that we could attract that would be of the same quality let alone improve on I like pickford - he makes some crucial stops. I like a bit of arrogance in my players as well but his is misplaced - his kicking is the most over hyped asset to his game and he would actually benefit from being brought down to ground on it. How many times has he punted the fuck out of the ball for it to once bounce into the other keepers box and it’s almost like he does it just because he can and he thinks it makes him look big. Matt and StevO 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted January 31, 2020 Report Share Posted January 31, 2020 6 hours ago, Hafnia said: He may be worth £40m in this crazy market...... the reality is he's not worth near that IMO. Too much of a liability. He’s worth 90m at least. He’s English so add the premium to the fee. Still young too. If he was at United or Chelsea they would be singing his praises. I’d be fine selling him. There are a plethora of decent shot stoppers now. I don’t see much difference between Tim Howard and Pickford. Worldly saves one week, laughable goal the next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunlopp9987 Posted January 31, 2020 Report Share Posted January 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said: He’s worth 90m at least. He’s English so add the premium to the fee. Still young too. If he was at United or Chelsea they would be singing his praises. I’d be fine selling him. There are a plethora of decent shot stoppers now. I don’t see much difference between Tim Howard and Pickford. Worldly saves one week, laughable goal the next. The difference is that Tim was a leader on and off the pitch. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted January 31, 2020 Report Share Posted January 31, 2020 22 hours ago, Bill said: They will have Suarez back in Summer and Richy is not in the same class. Suarez is 33. There's no way Barca are looking to spend £80m on cover for 6 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted January 31, 2020 Report Share Posted January 31, 2020 4 hours ago, dunlopp9987 said: The difference is that Tim was a leader on and off the pitch. When Tim Howard was 24/25 he was no leader and looked like a pile of shite at Manchester United. Pickford has his problems, of course he does, but he's still a relative baby for a GK. He gets treated quite harshly by our fans if you ask me. pete0, Bailey and StevO 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted January 31, 2020 Report Share Posted January 31, 2020 1 minute ago, nogs said: Suarez is 33. There's no way Barca are looking to spend £80m on cover for 6 months. Nogs, they didn't even bid. The very next day SSN reported that Barca were trying to sell players to raise funds . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted January 31, 2020 Report Share Posted January 31, 2020 10 hours ago, Palfy said: So would Klaassen, we’ve had some good players here who didn’t get fair chance and looked lacking because of poor managers. Klaasen could not handle the physicality and speed of the Prem league, end of. He's now plying his trade for a bottom 3 Bundesliga club and gets nowhere near the Dutch side. Why would he be good enough for us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted January 31, 2020 Report Share Posted January 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: Nogs, they didn't even bid. The very next day SSN reported that Barca were trying to sell players to raise funds . You don't need to make a bid to have interest in a player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted January 31, 2020 Report Share Posted January 31, 2020 4 minutes ago, nogs said: You don't need to make a bid to have interest in a player. The point is that there was no £80m bid to have a player as cover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted January 31, 2020 Report Share Posted January 31, 2020 1 minute ago, Romey 1878 said: The point is that there was no £80m bid to have a player as cover. I didn't say there was an £80m bid. I said 'looking to spend' which is an entirely different thing altogether and accurate or not, it's what has been reported in relation to several players. My point being, if Barca did actually like the look of Richarlison (and who knows really?), they wouldn't change their mind just because Suarez returns to fitness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted January 31, 2020 Report Share Posted January 31, 2020 8 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: He’s worth 90m at least. He’s English so add the premium to the fee. Still young too. If he was at United or Chelsea they would be singing his praises. I’d be fine selling him. There are a plethora of decent shot stoppers now. I don’t see much difference between Tim Howard and Pickford. Worldly saves one week, laughable goal the next. 14 hours ago, Romey 1878 said: If the truly shite Kepa was bought for close to £80m then he’s easy worth that. Not sure he's worth £80/£90m on the basis that another hyped keeper but failed was bought for that amount. Kepa had an unblemished record which earned him that "gambled value".... he's worth half of that not at a push. Pickford IMO doesn't offer enough value, his command of his area is poor... from set pieces he is poor.... shot stopping great but that's not enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted January 31, 2020 Report Share Posted January 31, 2020 Looking at the £80m keepers. De Gea was better bar his kicking but he's been out of form the last 2 seasons. Ederson is better at passing and sweeping but not as good at shot stopping. No idea how good Alisson is as he's hardly ever worked. Kepa... No need to even make an argument. Add that Pickford would have an English premium and I see no reason for him to be any cheaper. He's young so it's 10 years you don't need to look for a replacement. Think if any of the teams above us lost their keeper they'd happily pay it. markjazzbassist, Matt and StevO 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted January 31, 2020 Report Share Posted January 31, 2020 12 minutes ago, pete0 said: Looking at the £80m keepers. De Gea was better bar his kicking but he's been out of form the last 2 seasons. Ederson is better at passing and sweeping but not as good at shot stopping. No idea how good Alisson is as he's hardly ever worked. Kepa... No need to even make an argument. Add that Pickford would have an English premium and I see no reason for him to be any cheaper. He's young so it's 10 years you don't need to look for a replacement. Think if any of the teams above us lost their keeper they'd happily pay it. De Gea makes far more howlers than Pickford and his command of his area is far worse. He is the softest keeper in the league! I think the two Brazilians are the best keepers in the league. Pickford, Leno and De Gea in the rung below maybe with Patricio and then the rest from there. Im sure there are some keepers abroad who we could buy for less than we could sell Pickford for but I can't name them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted February 1, 2020 Report Share Posted February 1, 2020 On 31/01/2020 at 14:14, Bailey said: De Gea makes far more howlers than Pickford and his command of his area is far worse. He is the softest keeper in the league! I think the two Brazilians are the best keepers in the league. Pickford, Leno and De Gea in the rung below maybe with Patricio and then the rest from there. Im sure there are some keepers abroad who we could buy for less than we could sell Pickford for but I can't name them! I'm definitely of the thinking that if we can sell pickford for £40m or so them get it done..... London Blue, StevO and Wiggytop 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted February 1, 2020 Report Share Posted February 1, 2020 On 01/02/2020 at 00:14, Bailey said: De Gea makes far more howlers than Pickford and his command of his area is far worse. He is the softest keeper in the league! I think the two Brazilians are the best keepers in the league. Pickford, Leno and De Gea in the rung below maybe with Patricio and then the rest from there. Im sure there are some keepers abroad who we could buy for less than we could sell Pickford for but I can't name them! Dubravka from Newcastle Schmicheal from Leicester Matty Ryan Brighton All very, very good keepers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted February 2, 2020 Report Share Posted February 2, 2020 2 hours ago, Btay said: Dubravka from Newcastle Schmicheal from Leicester Matty Ryan Brighton All very, very good keepers. i like Ryan a lot. only 27 too which is still young for a keeper. if we did sell pickford i wouldn't be mad if he was the replacement. also it's about time we get another aussie! DavisJD 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post StevO Posted February 2, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted February 2, 2020 14 hours ago, Btay said: Dubravka from Newcastle Schmicheal from Leicester Matty Ryan Brighton All very, very good keepers. Dubravka is not even close to Pickfords league. Schmicheal isn’t leaving Leicester, and if he did it isn’t to go to Everton. Ryan? Replace Pickford with Ryan? Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs, United, none of them would even come close to picking up Dubravka or Ryan. These are the clubs we need to compete with, and none of them have particularly strong keepers anymore. Anyone with an issue with Pickford remember when we replaced Howard with Robles, and then Stek? We have a very very good goalkeeper as it is. Hes not throwing balls in every week, we don’t concede a lot of goals, yeah he’s got a personality! Why is that so bad? He makes saves, and plenty of them. Every single transfer you make is a risk, and plenty of them don’t pay off. We all moan on here enough about the ones that didn’t pay off. But where is more important on the pitch for minimal risk than the goalkeeper? We sell Pickford and bring in Edison it could still not work, but we aren’t even talking about replacing him with a top keeper. We’re talking about replacing him with keepers who have had average careers so far, but MIGHT be better if we buy them. Better the devil you know, but the devil we know isn’t that bad. He’s actually pretty fucking good! Bailey, MikeO, Palfy and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted February 2, 2020 Report Share Posted February 2, 2020 And if Pickford is as bad as some say then how do they value him it at 40 million, and if his value is 40 million then that would make him one of the top keepers in the world so why sell him if you can’t improve on him. StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted February 2, 2020 Report Share Posted February 2, 2020 12 minutes ago, Palfy said: And if Pickford is as bad as some say then how do they value him it at 40 million, and if his value is 40 million then that would make him one of the top keepers in the world so why sell him if you can’t improve on him. You’d get a lot more than £40m as well. Dubravka and Ryan are nowhere near as good. I don’t know why anyone would advocate downgrading a position. A position that we’re currently very strong in. Plus, in my opinion Pickford is only going to get better. Im a big fan of his. Matt and StevO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad Posted February 2, 2020 Report Share Posted February 2, 2020 Ancelotti will have the measure of young Jordan so unless he/Brands have someone better in mind, he's staying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggytop Posted February 2, 2020 Report Share Posted February 2, 2020 21 minutes ago, Gwlad all over said: Ancelotti will have the measure of young Jordan so unless he/Brands have someone better in mind, he's staying. Well said, a good voice of reason there. 18 hours ago, Hafnia said: I'm definitely of the thinking that if we can sell pickford for £40m or so them get it done..... Might as well let someone have him for free, that’s ridiculously cheap IMO StevO and markjazzbassist 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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