Palfy Posted November 17, 2020 Report Share Posted November 17, 2020 9 hours ago, Matt said: Keane is clearly our best CB and I’d argue one of the best players this season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted November 17, 2020 Report Share Posted November 17, 2020 8 hours ago, pete0 said: Holgate. Keane was above average after the restart last season (mainly down to being fitter, although credit to him for putting the effort in) but other than that he's been a dreadful signing. Said it a million times but the only game he's looked good enough was Brighton when he stood up to Murray. Think he was that poor the first two seasons that now when he doesn't get turned inside out he gets credit for having a good game. What matches has he actually been above average in? Whereas I think Mina suffers from a case of the Davies', as in every misplaced pass or other fault gets overly picked on. Maybe you see Keane the way you think others see Mina? Like every fault that Mina does gets picked on by others, where as every fault that Keane does gets picked on by you? We all do it. We all have our opinions on players and don’t find it so easy to change them. Besic would have to get in our team and we win the league for me to think he’s anything more than garbage. Also, I agree with you that Holgate is the best, or at least he was last season pre lockdown, but he needs to get back to form. Since lockdown Keane has been much better for me. MC11 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted November 17, 2020 Report Share Posted November 17, 2020 I think Keane has done well this season, the problem is he really needs to keep it up for the whole season in order to deserve any real credit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted November 18, 2020 Report Share Posted November 18, 2020 Personally I just the think defence and goalkeeping are poor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted November 18, 2020 Report Share Posted November 18, 2020 2 hours ago, Hafnia said: Personally I just the think defence and goalkeeping are poor. Digne and Coleman have been good. Keane looks to have reverted to his pussy form. Mina is consistently inconsistent Holgate - promising, possibly lacks height/presence Godfrey - not a rb but looks promising physically. pete0 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bailey Posted November 18, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 18, 2020 4 hours ago, Btay said: Digne and Coleman have been good. Keane looks to have reverted to his pussy form. Mina is consistently inconsistent Holgate - promising, possibly lacks height/presence Godfrey - not a rb but looks promising physically. Coleman started well but since his injuries he has also struggled with his performances IMO. I would say Digne is the only consistently good one out of the lot of them at the moment. Hopefully they can settle down again after this international break, stay fit and get back to what they were doing at the start of the season. Sibdane, Shukes, Romey 1878 and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted November 20, 2020 Report Share Posted November 20, 2020 On 18/11/2020 at 10:11, Btay said: Digne and Coleman have been good. Keane looks to have reverted to his pussy form. Mina is consistently inconsistent Holgate - promising, possibly lacks height/presence Godfrey - not a rb but looks promising physically. We’ve conceded as many goals as the bottom side in the table. Between the goalkeeper and defence and whatever else they are told to do its shite. Palfy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted November 20, 2020 Report Share Posted November 20, 2020 2 hours ago, Hafnia said: We’ve conceded as many goals as the bottom side in the table. Between the goalkeeper and defence and whatever else they are told to do its shite. I mean the team in 3rd place have conceded more than us. The sample size is so small it's not really relevant. I think with Holgate back our defence will improve slightly, but a real reliable, consistent enforcer in centre half would be ideal. There isn't many of them about though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted November 20, 2020 Report Share Posted November 20, 2020 On 18/11/2020 at 14:23, Bailey said: Coleman started well but since his injuries he has also struggled with his performances IMO. I would say Digne is the only consistently good one out of the lot of them at the moment. Hopefully they can settle down again after this international break, stay fit and get back to what they were doing at the start of the season. They were conceding in the games we won we were just out scoring teams, we’ve stopped scoring but carried on conceding, for me our defence as been poor for 5-6 seasons and what they have been doing for a long time is letting goals in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted November 20, 2020 Report Share Posted November 20, 2020 I think at the moment we have to go with Keane and Mina. Holgate will need time to get back to his usual level and Godfrey must take his chance if it arises. StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted November 20, 2020 Report Share Posted November 20, 2020 5 hours ago, Hafnia said: We’ve conceded as many goals as the bottom side in the table. Between the goalkeeper and defence and whatever else they are told to do its shite. Mate I understand that and agree. I’m saying 2 players out of a back 5 have been acceptable so far. I get they are a collective unit but I’ve been happy with their levels so far. Centre backs and goalkeeper have been suspect and need to shape up quickly. 8 minutes ago, MC11 said: I think at the moment we have to go with Keane and Mina. Holgate will need time to get back to his usual level and Godfrey must take his chance if it arises. Think holgate will play RB as coleman is out for Fulham. Mina to come in and mark Mitrovic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted November 21, 2020 Report Share Posted November 21, 2020 8 hours ago, Btay said: Mate I understand that and agree. I’m saying 2 players out of a back 5 have been acceptable so far. I get they are a collective unit but I’ve been happy with their levels so far. Centre backs and goalkeeper have been suspect and need to shape up quickly. Think holgate will play RB as coleman is out for Fulham. Mina to come in and mark Mitrovic No issues with Holgate at RB but I’d rather start Godfrey over Mina Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted November 21, 2020 Report Share Posted November 21, 2020 4 hours ago, Matt said: No issues with Holgate at RB but I’d rather start Godfrey over Mina I think Holgate, Mina and Keane have a better understanding of each other is my thinking. Mind you, I have nothing what so ever against Godfrey and look forward to seeing him at CB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted November 21, 2020 Report Share Posted November 21, 2020 14 hours ago, Aidan said: I mean the team in 3rd place have conceded more than us. The sample size is so small it's not really relevant. I think with Holgate back our defence will improve slightly, but a real reliable, consistent enforcer in centre half would be ideal. There isn't many of them about though. Yeah Liverpool, they conceded 7 of them in one game, so it's fair to call that an outlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted November 21, 2020 Report Share Posted November 21, 2020 12 hours ago, Btay said: Mate I understand that and agree. I’m saying 2 players out of a back 5 have been acceptable so far. I get they are a collective unit but I’ve been happy with their levels so far. Centre backs and goalkeeper have been suspect and need to shape up quickly. Think holgate will play RB as coleman is out for Fulham. Mina to come in and mark Mitrovic I don't think we defended well at all aside the spurs game. Full backs can give the impression they are doing ok based on attacking play. As a defensive unit I'm really disappointed. It starts with keeper and to a degree ends with midfield Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunlopp9987 Posted December 22, 2020 Report Share Posted December 22, 2020 Just saw a state that Big Yer's last four goals scored have all come in the 45th minute. Can't stress how important of a stat that is. December 19th v Arsenal - Gives us a 2-1 lead into the half, go on to win 2-1 October 3rd v Brighton - Gives us a 2-1 lead into the half, go on to win 4-2 February 1st v Watford - Scores 2 in 1st half stoppage time to get us back to 2-2, go on to win 3-2 I'm as critical of him as anyone, as his mental lapses annoy the PISS out of me, but he has come up with some crucial goals at crucial moments for us. StevO and Shukes 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted December 22, 2020 Report Share Posted December 22, 2020 2 hours ago, dunlopp9987 said: Just saw a state that Big Yer's last four goals scored have all come in the 45th minute. Can't stress how important of a stat that is. December 19th v Arsenal - Gives us a 2-1 lead into the half, go on to win 2-1 October 3rd v Brighton - Gives us a 2-1 lead into the half, go on to win 4-2 February 1st v Watford - Scores 2 in 1st half stoppage time to get us back to 2-2, go on to win 3-2 I'm as critical of him as anyone, as his mental lapses annoy the PISS out of me, but he has come up with some crucial goals at crucial moments for us. Another of those weird ingredients for me that seems to work. Against Arsenal he was pushed over by a kid, which ended up in a header just wide. Beaten on corners easily by not jumping, stood static on several occasions as a player ran round him, but comes up with a winner and does enough to earn himself a decent few MoM votes. A strange one indeed. But he seems to be a bit of a marmite player. But it somehow works haha. My biggest frustration with him is that he for his height he gets beaten way too much in the air. But when he wins a header it’s towering and sticks in the mind more. But honestly watch him closely next match and see how many Ariel dues he wins. Non of this looking at stats either, watch with eyes haha. Only because I think I’m going crazy Bailey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted December 22, 2020 Report Share Posted December 22, 2020 36 minutes ago, Shukes said: Another of those weird ingredients for me that seems to work. Against Arsenal he was pushed over by a kid, which ended up in a header just wide. Beaten on corners easily by not jumping, stood static on several occasions as a player ran round him, but comes up with a winner and does enough to earn himself a decent few MoM votes. A strange one indeed. But he seems to be a bit of a marmite player. But it somehow works haha. My biggest frustration with him is that he for his height he gets beaten way too much in the air. But when he wins a header it’s towering and sticks in the mind more. But honestly watch him closely next match and see how many Ariel dues he wins. Non of this looking at stats either, watch with eyes haha. Only because I think I’m going crazy Can’t sleep mate you’re posting earlier and earlier, soon it won’t be worth going to bed. Your right he is a marmite player I like marmite so focus on his tastier work, I do recognise his weaknesses but his good stuff out weighs his bad, but he does have the odd game when it doesn’t and then Carlo’s axe falls and he pays the price. Shukes and Btay 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted December 22, 2020 Report Share Posted December 22, 2020 He’s playing well at the moment. So are Keane, Holgate and Godfrey. So as Coleman gets fit they can’t afford to let their levels drop or they can quickly be replaced. One of them anyway. Matt and London Blue 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted December 22, 2020 Report Share Posted December 22, 2020 Mina has been very good, he has made some great tackles and interceptions, he also is a good communicator, he talks to the other defenders which is important. Plus he has a really good positive mentality on the pitch which cant be underestimated. As others have said having so many good defenders at the club drives up standards which is key. Palfy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 22, 2020 Report Share Posted December 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, London Blue said: Mina has been very good, he has made some great tackles and interceptions, he also is a good communicator, he talks to the other defenders which is important. Plus he has a really good positive mentality on the pitch which cant be underestimated. As others have said having so many good defenders at the club drives up standards which is key. If he could just cut out those “Mina moments” he’d be a starter hands down for the rest of the season. He’s certainly improved this season but I’m still always assuming he’s going to do something reckless. His clearances for example, I can think of 3 without effort that led to goals against us and cost us points in some cases. All that said, it’s nice to see that we’ve got genuine quality competition at CB now and I’m glad I’m being proven somewhat wrong about him. Long may it continue Palfy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted December 22, 2020 Report Share Posted December 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, Matt said: If he could just cut out those “Mina moments” he’d be a starter hands down for the rest of the season. He’s certainly improved this season but I’m still always assuming he’s going to do something reckless. His clearances for example, I can think of 3 without effort that led to goals against us and cost us points in some cases. All that said, it’s nice to see that we’ve got genuine quality competition at CB now and I’m glad I’m being proven somewhat wrong about him. Long may it continue I think the "Mina Moments" have reduced which is down to playing more, building up a partnership with Keane, and playing in a team that is playing better. Not perfect, but much much better and a genuine choice for starting centre back now, which many could not say before. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted December 22, 2020 Report Share Posted December 22, 2020 42 minutes ago, London Blue said: Mina has been very good, he has made some great tackles and interceptions, he also is a good communicator, he talks to the other defenders which is important. Plus he has a really good positive mentality on the pitch which cant be underestimated. As others have said having so many good defenders at the club drives up standards which is key. the underlined is key for me too. he's always smiling and hugging the guys, and having a laugh. you can tell he's just a jovial kinda guy. Palfy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavisJD Posted January 2, 2021 Report Share Posted January 2, 2021 Didn’t have a bad game against West Ham, but he deflected / blocked a shot straight to an opposition player for there goal. I have seen him do this many times this season, blocks or deflections that go straight to a dangerous position (Salah’s goal is a standout, but there is more). Not good enough at this level to repeat the mistake like he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted January 2, 2021 Report Share Posted January 2, 2021 Some people quite literally blow my mind with their expectations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hafnia Posted January 2, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted January 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Bailey said: Some people quite literally blow my mind with their expectations. Flicking a leg out in order to not use your weaker foot isn't good defending. Shukes, StevO, Matt and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted January 2, 2021 Report Share Posted January 2, 2021 36 minutes ago, Hafnia said: Flicking a leg out in order to not use your weaker foot isn't good defending. He used his weaker foot!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted January 2, 2021 Report Share Posted January 2, 2021 How the anyone can blame a player for a deflection or a an attempted block on a shot that’s flying at him is beyond me, what annoys me and will annoy Carlo is that not one of our midfielders rushed out to block the shot that’s poor and you very rarely see someone on the edge of the area go completely unchallenged as we did then, there’s your reason for the goal StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted January 2, 2021 Report Share Posted January 2, 2021 16 minutes ago, Palfy said: very rarely see someone on the edge of the area go completely unchallenged as we did then, there’s your reason for the goal It's not rare with us. It's why we concede so many goals from distance. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 https://www.evertonfc.com/news/1986083/mina-on-why-everton-are-el-maximo-in-colombia pete0, markjazzbassist and Sibdane 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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