markjazzbassist Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 1 hour ago, pete0 said: Probs our best defender last season. Agreed I didn’t know where he went wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 2 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said: Agreed I didn’t know where he went wrong He looked heavy at the start of the season and he still does; ridiculous. Unsworth himself would be as effective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post c1982 Posted November 24, 2017 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 37 minutes ago, Bill said: Mr average from the day we bought him, gradually getting worse. No, we signed him as one of the most consistent centre backs in the Premier League on the back of a very good Euro 16’ tournament for him personally and for Wales. As a result, our defence improved on the previous 2 seasons. Sadly, this season, he looks short of confidence, off form, ‘too big’ and most worryingly, plainly uninterested. At the time we signed him he was what we were crying out for... now though... we need to replace him ASAP. Bailey, MikeO, Matt and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 He should have been fined for the state he turned up to pre season in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 He's come here from Swansea and contributed very little, he won't leave of his own free will he's on the most money of his career this is his pension fund, I don't think he cares if he plays or not he just here for the money, we need to pay him off so we can move on, he's a parasite that needs exterminating fucking pounce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 41 minutes ago, hafnia said: He should have been fined for the state he turned up to pre season in. The haircut - yeh I agree. Either fined or a shotgun to the back of the head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 1 hour ago, c1982 said: No, we signed him as one of the most consistent centre backs in the Premier League on the back of a very good Euro 16’ tournament for him personally and for Wales. As a result, our defence improved on the previous 2 seasons. Sadly, this season, he looks short of confidence, off form, ‘too big’ and most worryingly, plainly uninterested. At the time we signed him he was what we were crying out for... now though... we need to replace him ASAP. Agree with this completely. Some defenders get slower over time. Williams, it seems, transformed over the summer from an experienced, influential, and useful centre back to a slow, struggling, and sometimes disinterested defender. How would we react if we found out that our speed and intensity were gone forever? We'd probably give up in some games as a matter of frustration. I don't subscribe to the opinion that he's now just stealing a pay packet: I suspect he really wants to get back to his former self but is simply unable to. In that case, we have little option but to drop him from the team. It's harsh, but that's why good managers are paid big bucks. Matt and MikeO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 Back to the great form he showed last year. He’s looked excellent with holgate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 Not a lover of Williams but as you said he had a good game, don't get carried away tho it's only one game. Quinn31 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 I'd make it 3 games. I' even argue he was our best defender at Soton but that wasn' exactly hard! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 50 minutes ago, Bailey said: I'd make it 3 games. I' even argue he was our best defender at Soton but that wasn' exactly hard! I think it would have been very hard, because he didn't play at Southampton. chicagoblue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 56 minutes ago, Bill said: I think it would have been very hard, because he didn't play at Southampton. He came on as a sub?! Didn't he... or am I going mad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 2 hours ago, Bill said: Not a lover of Williams but as you said he had a good game, don't get carried away tho it's only one game. 3 matches. West Ham, Huddersfield, Red Shite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 17 minutes ago, Bailey said: He came on as a sub?! Didn't he... or am I going mad? He did. Within the first half hour. Bailey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: He did. Within the first half hour. At least that's one that I am not going mad about! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 2 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: 3 matches. West Ham, Huddersfield, Red Shite. Southampton - no votes, West Ham - 3 votes, Huddersfield - no votes, Redshite - no votes although he did have a decent game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 16 hours ago, Bill said: Southampton - no votes, West Ham - 3 votes, Huddersfield - no votes, Redshite - no votes although he did have a decent game. Which applies to the other games too in my opinion, he seems to have sorted his head out London Blue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 Not the bloody vote argument again! Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Bailey said: Not the bloody vote argument again! Yep. It seems our votes carry a lot of weight. It's why I vote less now, I can't handle the pressure of such a high profile decision. Bailey, Romey 1878 and Matt 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 If you don't play well nobody votes for you, I think that's simple enough to understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 31 minutes ago, Bill said: If you don't play well nobody votes for you, I think that's simple enough to understand. Not really though Bill. You can play well but someone can play better, just use the Liverpool game as an example. Matt and MikeO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 13, 2017 Report Share Posted December 13, 2017 10 hours ago, Bill said: If you don't play well nobody votes for you, I think that's simple enough to understand. So if the team plays very well but here’s 1 player who steals the show and gets the votes, that means none of the rest played well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted December 13, 2017 Report Share Posted December 13, 2017 I hear what you are saying , I also said Williams had a decent game against the redshite but unfortunately for him he was outvoted by Jonjoe and Rooney. I know it's not the Bible but the motm is a good indication as to who did or didn't play well, as there is usually five or more players who get a mention and at least one vote. Even Holgate got two votes against the reds. I think it's strange that those people who are disputing the point, actually voted for somebody else not Williams. !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmashedCrab Posted December 14, 2017 Report Share Posted December 14, 2017 On 12/13/2017 at 19:04, Matt said: So if the team plays very well but here’s 1 player who steals the show and gets the votes, that means none of the rest played well? i.e. the West Ham game; we won 4-0, but the only one who played well was Rooney! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted December 14, 2017 Report Share Posted December 14, 2017 I don't know if its because he's not liked by people but he just doesn't get votes, more than half the team got votes at Newcastle, 6 players in fact and he didn't get one vote. Even Coco the clown Martina got a vote. You'll always have people defending him because he's only average, when he plays a little above average people thing he's had a great game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted December 14, 2017 Report Share Posted December 14, 2017 He seems to be one of the ones that’s benefitted most from Allardyce simplifying things - see ball, get ball as far away from our goal as possible. StevO, markjazzbassist and aaron 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted December 15, 2017 Report Share Posted December 15, 2017 3 hours ago, Romey 1878 said: He seems to be one of the ones that’s benefitted most from Allardyce simplifying things - see ball, get ball as far away from our goal as possible. yeah but it's more than that. his positioning is better, his decisions are better, heading is better, even his heading on set pieces in attack is better. like night and day with him, he looks just like he did as swans now (which i thought he was excellent then). maybe he's just used to sitting back and being battered and defending for his life. not a flair defender ala stones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted December 15, 2017 Report Share Posted December 15, 2017 On 13/12/2017 at 09:04, Matt said: So if the team plays very well but here’s 1 player who steals the show and gets the votes, that means none of the rest played well? Then does that mean we need to change the way we vote for MotM, because when I vote for a player I'm not thinking the rest were poor but you can only pick one, can we have an Olympic style vote were we pick Bronze, Silver, Gold and for good measure you can if you wish name the player you were most disappointed with, that way we may get a fairer reflection of more of the players over the whole season, what do people think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted December 15, 2017 Report Share Posted December 15, 2017 yeah but it's more than that. his positioning is better, his decisions are better, heading is better, even his heading on set pieces in attack is better. like night and day with him, he looks just like he did as swans now (which i thought he was excellent then). maybe he's just used to sitting back and being battered and defending for his life. not a flair defender ala stones.He has just gone back to basics and is no longer being asked to do things he is just not comfortable with markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted December 15, 2017 Report Share Posted December 15, 2017 He was better at Newcastle, back to last years form. I didn’t agree with people anfield as he gave the ball away, hoofed at every chance and his control was awful at times. We scraped through but he made me nervous the whole match. But against Newcastle he was dominant and bullied there forward line, like an old fashioned centre half. Hope this is a return to form for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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