Matt Posted November 26, 2021 Report Share Posted November 26, 2021 12 hours ago, Romey 1878 said: He’s resumed light training. Means he's allowed out during the day? Bailey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted December 17, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2021 Any word on what’s even wrong with him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted December 17, 2021 Report Share Posted December 17, 2021 12 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: Any word on what’s even wrong with him? He didn’t like the belt Rafa was wearing at Finch Farm on Monday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted December 17, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2021 1 hour ago, StevO said: He didn’t like the belt Rafa was wearing at Finch Farm on Monday. probably because he was getting spanked with it at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggytop Posted December 17, 2021 Report Share Posted December 17, 2021 Some rumours flying about saying he tested positive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted December 17, 2021 Report Share Posted December 17, 2021 7 minutes ago, Wiggytop said: Some rumours flying about saying he tested positive Not really much of a stretch to believe that when he missed the game through illness and it looks like half the bloody country is going to get it this time around. StevO, Palfy and Matt 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plaidharper Posted January 3, 2022 Report Share Posted January 3, 2022 As someone who is from the USA and watches CONCACAF, I just hope he does not get injured. Lots of physical play and poor pitches in these matches. That being said, Gray has been great this year so well deserved. Sibdane, Palfy and dunlopp9987 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunlopp9987 Posted January 3, 2022 Report Share Posted January 3, 2022 3 hours ago, plaidharper said: As someone who is from the USA and watches CONCACAF, I just hope he does not get injured. Lots of physical play and poor pitches in these matches. That being said, Gray has been great this year so well deserved. Oh christ. Glad for him, but you're spot on. The CONCACAF qualifiers are a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted February 13, 2022 Report Share Posted February 13, 2022 Given how well we played without him yesterday, should Gray walk straight back into the team once he returns from injury - for example, in place of Iwobi - or does he become an impact sub? (Nice problem to have, by the way.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted February 13, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Cornish Steve said: Given how well we played without him yesterday, should Gray walk straight back into the team once he returns from injury - for example, in place of Iwobi - or does he become an impact sub? (Nice problem to have, by the way.) Of course he shouldn't. Iwobi has earnt his spot and Gray will just have to wait for an opportunity to get it back. StevO and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad Posted February 13, 2022 Report Share Posted February 13, 2022 Makes a change from having to have 2 goalkeepers keeping the bench warm! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted February 13, 2022 Report Share Posted February 13, 2022 I think he comes back in straight away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted February 13, 2022 Report Share Posted February 13, 2022 44 minutes ago, MC11 said: I think he comes back in straight away No, he shouldn't. We will have Gordon .. DCL .. Richie as the front three, then Allan .. V de Beek .. And a choice of Doucoure and Dele for the middle three, and if Iwobi plays as well as he did yesterday I would stick him in before Gray. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted February 13, 2022 Report Share Posted February 13, 2022 For Lampard, I think it would send a bad sign of he dropped Iwobi as soon as Gray was fit unless Gray was doing brilliantly in training. For us Everton fans that have seen Iwobi week in week out, I think it would be harsh to have watched Gray be one of our best players all season only to be dropped for a guy who has had one good game all season. StevO, Matt and Romey 1878 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted February 13, 2022 Report Share Posted February 13, 2022 We have to trust the manager to make the right decisions, when it comes to the MF and wide areas he’s going to be spoilt for choice and the bench will be full of quality, how often have we been able to say that in the last few seasons. StevO and Gwlad 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted February 13, 2022 Report Share Posted February 13, 2022 3 hours ago, Cornish Steve said: Given how well we played without him yesterday, should Gray walk straight back into the team once he returns from injury - for example, in place of Iwobi - or does he become an impact sub? (Nice problem to have, by the way.) Depends on what tactics/system Frank thinks we need to win the game when Gray’s next fit. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunlopp9987 Posted February 13, 2022 Report Share Posted February 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Bill said: No, he shouldn't. We will have Gordon .. DCL .. Richie as the front three, then Allan .. V de Beek .. And a choice of Doucoure and Dele for the middle three, and if Iwobi plays as well as he did yesterday I would stick him in before Gray. Agreed. Plus with Gray's dynamism and the way he runs at defenders, would be a perfect option to come off the bench and run at tired legs with 20 minutes left Romey 1878 and StevO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted February 13, 2022 Report Share Posted February 13, 2022 Been our best player this season. Iwobi has been the worst. Iwobi has one good game…. Ye makes perfect sense to drop our best player. MC11 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted February 13, 2022 Report Share Posted February 13, 2022 34 minutes ago, Shukes said: Been our best player this season. Iwobi has been the worst. Iwobi has one good game…. Ye makes perfect sense to drop our best player. True but to drop a player after such am excellent performance also sends a bad message. Its a headache I'm glad I don't have. StevO, Romey 1878 and dunlopp9987 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted February 13, 2022 Report Share Posted February 13, 2022 To be honest I don't think Gray will get in ahead of Gordon or Richie as our wide players so where would he play.? Won't be ahead of Allan, de Beek, Doucoure, or Delli, so I don't think there's anything down for him. Might get in if the manager rotates but I think he'll spend most of his time as a bench warmer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted February 13, 2022 Report Share Posted February 13, 2022 This is a squad game, players have to earn and keep their places on merit. It would destroy players moral if Frank played favourites, many of the problems of our club are due to previous managers playing favourites. From what he said about slates being wiped clean I don't for one minute he will go down that route, and I am so happy. StevO, Romey 1878 and Matt 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post London Blue Posted February 13, 2022 Popular Post Report Share Posted February 13, 2022 10 minutes ago, Bill said: To be honest I don't think Gray will get in ahead of Gordon or Richie as our wide players so where would he play.? Won't be ahead of Allan, de Beek, Doucoure, or Delli, so I don't think there's anything down for him. Gray is fast, direct, skillful and involved in goals so of course he will be involved again. Competition for places is so important, its what Frank needs to make our team work, as are quality options. Formby, nyblue23, StevO and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted February 13, 2022 Report Share Posted February 13, 2022 39 minutes ago, London Blue said: Gray is fast, direct, skillful and involved in goals so of course he will be involved again. Competition for places is so important, its what Frank needs to make our team work, as are quality options. And runs down too many blind alleys, hangs on to the ball too long and loses it. I wouldn't drop any of the team that played Leeds to put him in. I have said he will play if the manager rotates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted February 13, 2022 Report Share Posted February 13, 2022 He shouldn’t just walk back into the team when fit. And it’s not like he’s being dropped if he doesn’t. Iwobi had the chance to make a claim for the position while Grey was injured, and should be rewarded by keeping the position for the next game. If he doesn’t perform in the next game then he should lose the position. The same for any player in the squad. If you miss a game for whatever reason and someone comes in and fights to keep that place you should have to fight to get it back. I don’t want to see anyone guaranteed to play. London Blue, Palfy, Matt and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted February 14, 2022 Report Share Posted February 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Bill said: And runs down too many blind alleys, hangs on to the ball too long and loses it. I wouldn't drop any of the team that played Leeds to put him in. I have said he will play if the manager rotates. 5 Goals and 2 assists in 20 league games in a struggling side. He was involved in 25% of our goals, so he is just as much of an option as anyone else in the squad. Under Frank starts will be determined on performance in training and matches which is as it should be. Respect you Bill but that's my opinion and I don't think it's going to change based on the above. Shukes, Romey 1878 and Matt 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted February 14, 2022 Report Share Posted February 14, 2022 Foden doesn't start every game. Sterling doesn't start every game. Mahrez doesn't start every game. Mount doesn't start every game. The top teams can rotate and rest players and choose based on the best tactics for each game. I can see Gray starting some and not others, and the same for Iwobi and Townsend and El Ghazi and the rest. We've seen this season what it's like when you rely on the same 11 starters for every game, and I don't want to go back to that. Romey 1878, StevO and Shukes 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted February 14, 2022 Report Share Posted February 14, 2022 8 hours ago, Matt said: True but to drop a player after such am excellent performance also sends a bad message. Its a headache I'm glad I don't have. It is a headache. Because the flip side is a player that’s been performing and gets injured could be dropped for a player that turns up with one good performance. Not a great message to send out. My view would be that Gray plays a wide role, while Iwobi had a free role. The team would be dependant on our opponents and tactics for the game. In Frank we trust ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted February 14, 2022 Report Share Posted February 14, 2022 7 hours ago, StevO said: He shouldn’t just walk back into the team when fit. And it’s not like he’s being dropped if he doesn’t. Iwobi had the chance to make a claim for the position while Grey was injured, and should be rewarded by keeping the position for the next game. If he doesn’t perform in the next game then he should lose the position. The same for any player in the squad. If you miss a game for whatever reason and someone comes in and fights to keep that place you should have to fight to get it back. I don’t want to see anyone guaranteed to play. Completely agree, On a scale of 1-10 and 1 being the scruffiest and 10 being the smartest, how would you say you was dressed when writing that post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seve Posted February 14, 2022 Report Share Posted February 14, 2022 Not sure about this, Iwobi has had years of below average performances, on Saturday he did what is the minimum requirement for a footballer, he put in effort, work rate, and desire. I'm more inclined to ask where that has been all this time, his passing, and influence on the game were not great, but the effort was top draw. My question is do you put in a man who has arguably been our best player all season, or someone who decided to turn up to impress the new manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted February 14, 2022 Report Share Posted February 14, 2022 13 hours ago, London Blue said: 5 Goals and 2 assists in 20 league games in a struggling side. He was involved in 25% of our goals, so he is just as much of an option as anyone else in the squad. Under Frank starts will be determined on performance in training and matches which is as it should be. Respect you Bill but that's my opinion and I don't think it's going to change based on the above. I wouldn't dream of trying to change your opinion LB, we're all different in the way we think. I'll say it again ... He will get games if the Manager rotates but it would be a crime if he left out Iwobi after he had the best game he's ever had in a blue shirt, now that would be soul destroying. London Blue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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