RuffRob Posted August 21, 2022 Report Share Posted August 21, 2022 I think Grey has it well within him to get +7 goal a season, and at the moment every goal counts. He is a player who sometimes can come up with a goal out of nothing, and these are players we have been lacking in recent years. So I am happy to have him around the squad. These is definately room for improvement but he has the basics of speed and skill, add some improved decision making; with will be on the coaching team to get out of him; and he could be capable of doing good things in a blue shirt. Especially given his actual cost. Sibdane, Matt and KinL 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted August 21, 2022 Report Share Posted August 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, RuffRob said: I think Grey has it well within him to get +7 goal a season, and at the moment every goal counts. He is a player who sometimes can come up with a goal out of nothing, and these are players we have been lacking in recent years. So I am happy to have him around the squad. These is definately room for improvement but he has the basics of speed and skill, add some improved decision making; with will be on the coaching team to get out of him; and he could be capable of doing good things in a blue shirt. Especially given his actual cost. Both wingers need to be contributing minimum 10 goals a season each if they are playing 35/38 games a season. If gray scored 3 goals and got 15 assists it would be a great return. Gordon has potential but isn’t providing a great return for goals/assists so Gray unfortunately as our senior winger needs to up his level. Took his goal very well on the weekend, made a similar run last week against Villa which Iwobi nearly found him. I have no doubt he can do it and I really hope this is start of a productive period for him. chicagoblue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted August 21, 2022 Report Share Posted August 21, 2022 Both Gordon and Gray desperate for a striker to play off at this moment in time. I think their normal selfishness has stepped up a gear and they're trying too hard. Especially Gordon, I felt the Chelsea links got to him in one way or another. RuffRob 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 22, 2022 Report Share Posted August 22, 2022 17 hours ago, Btay said: That’s my point though - 1 goal in 20 something games isn’t good enough for a player of his ability. We need him to be at his best. Are you looking at the last 20 games where he was coming back from injury, sub appearances, shitshow of a team? I'm looking at his first 4 months or so when he was fit and we were a complete disaster. That's the player we've got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted August 22, 2022 Report Share Posted August 22, 2022 2 hours ago, Matt said: Are you looking at the last 20 games where he was coming back from injury, sub appearances, shitshow of a team? I'm looking at his first 4 months or so when he was fit and we were a complete disaster. That's the player we've got. He was a key player for Benitez at that time and the Spaniard definitely got the best out of him. I really wouldnt expect that to continue. He has returned to his usual level of form shown at previous clubs. He also has a habit of doing well early on and then drifting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 22, 2022 Report Share Posted August 22, 2022 17 minutes ago, Bailey said: He was a key player for Benitez at that time and the Spaniard definitely got the best out of him. I really wouldnt expect that to continue. He has returned to his usual level of form shown at previous clubs. He also has a habit of doing well early on and then drifting. Why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted August 22, 2022 Report Share Posted August 22, 2022 I’ll take saturdays performance any day from him. Frustrating yes, but dangerous, yes! Fosse Captain, Matt, RuffRob and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RuffRob Posted August 22, 2022 Popular Post Report Share Posted August 22, 2022 21 minutes ago, Shukes said: I’ll take saturdays performance any day from him. Frustrating yes, but dangerous, yes! Took his goal well, and it will do his confidence the world of good, did very well before he got injured last season. Less than £2m and has already done more in a blue shirt than plenty who have come in our recent history for +£20m. chicagoblue, Matt, dunlopp9987 and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted August 22, 2022 Report Share Posted August 22, 2022 4 hours ago, Matt said: Why not? Because a lot has changed since then combined with his past history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted August 22, 2022 Report Share Posted August 22, 2022 7 hours ago, Matt said: Are you looking at the last 20 games where he was coming back from injury, sub appearances, shitshow of a team? I'm looking at his first 4 months or so when he was fit and we were a complete disaster. That's the player we've got. Just in general mate, 20 appearances isn’t a come back from injury. He was poor, along with the team but individual performances are what contributed to an overall poor team performance. I agree with you, I hope he returns to that pre injury form & consistency. He has all the ability for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 22, 2022 Report Share Posted August 22, 2022 24 minutes ago, Bailey said: Because a lot has changed since then combined with his past history. By that token, he may have found exactly what he needed then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 22, 2022 Report Share Posted August 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, Btay said: Just in general mate, 20 appearances isn’t a come back from injury. He was poor, along with the team but individual performances are what contributed to an overall poor team performance. I agree with you, I hope he returns to that pre injury form & consistency. He has all the ability for it. He was in and out after his injury, didn't get a solid run from memory. Minutes on the pitch is what he needs, I think he'd shine given that chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted August 22, 2022 Report Share Posted August 22, 2022 5 minutes ago, Matt said: He was in and out after his injury, didn't get a solid run from memory. Minutes on the pitch is what he needs, I think he'd shine given that chance. Hope so, we need him that’s for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted August 23, 2022 Report Share Posted August 23, 2022 6 hours ago, Matt said: He was in and out after his injury, didn't get a solid run from memory. Minutes on the pitch is what he needs, I think he'd shine given that chance. You are right Lampard didn’t start him as much as Rafa, whether that was a fitness issue or a tactical decision I don’t know, but he is a player who will benefit the team more if he gets a good run he excels when his confidence is at it’s highest and can only achieve that with regular game time imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted August 23, 2022 Report Share Posted August 23, 2022 15 hours ago, Matt said: By that token, he may have found exactly what he needed then. Ever the optimist! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 23, 2022 Report Share Posted August 23, 2022 3 hours ago, Bailey said: Ever the optimist! Usually! Last season was the only time I wasn't I think. Bailey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2022 Took his goal very well again tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyBlue Posted August 24, 2022 Report Share Posted August 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Romey 1878 said: Took his goal very well again tonight. Probably the best finisher we have at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dunlopp9987 Posted August 24, 2022 Popular Post Report Share Posted August 24, 2022 Just now, SpartyBlue said: Probably the best finisher we have at the moment. He's the only finisher we have at the moment! Unless you count Digne in there too Romey 1878, plaidharper, Bailey and 2 others 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyBlue Posted October 2, 2022 Report Share Posted October 2, 2022 Our squad will be a lot better when guys like Gray and McNeil aren’t starting. They have the ability to win a match but are too anonymous too often. Gray in particular was very poor yesterday. Too often there is a simple pass that would further our attack and he instead tries to do a trick or beat two men. He strikes me as a player who is trying to be a star rather than just playing good, effective football and letting those moments of individual skill happen more naturally. Bill, Goodison Glory, Palfy and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 On 02/10/2022 at 15:06, SpartyBlue said: Our squad will be a lot better when guys like Gray and McNeil aren’t starting. They have the ability to win a match but are too anonymous too often. Gray in particular was very poor yesterday. Too often there is a simple pass that would further our attack and he instead tries to do a trick or beat two men. He strikes me as a player who is trying to be a star rather than just playing good, effective football and letting those moments of individual skill happen more naturally. Yep, needs to pass the ball the majority of the time, but takes a shot instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badaids Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 Glad to see he's signed an extension. He's doing alright this lad. Best dribbler at the club and a nuisance for the opposition quite a lot of the time. Downsides: Mykolenko seem to be invisible to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 51 minutes ago, badaids said: Glad to see he's signed an extension. He's doing alright this lad. Best dribbler at the club and a nuisance for the opposition quite a lot of the time. Downsides: Mykolenko seem to be invisible to him. Everyone is invisible to him. plaidharper, Palfy, Romey 1878 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted October 7, 2022 Report Share Posted October 7, 2022 He has his moments but it would be great if we could sell him for a decent fee in the summer and re-invest that money in someone with more quality and less selfishness. I guess it would be him or Gordon though and not both. Matt and London Blue 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted October 7, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2022 When did this extension of his contract happen by the way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 7, 2022 Report Share Posted October 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Bailey said: He has his moments but it would be great if we could sell him for a decent fee in the summer and re-invest that money in someone with more quality and less selfishness. I guess it would be him or Gordon though and not both. I don't understand any of this. One of our most threatening and productive players you want to sell? Madness. Formby and London Blue 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted October 7, 2022 Report Share Posted October 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Matt said: I don't understand any of this. One of our most threatening and productive players you want to sell? Madness. Threatening yes but productive no. A player with his talent should be scoring and creating more chances for others. He pisses up more good opportunities than anyone else. He only has 1 goal or assist to his name this season. His underlying stats are ok compared to similar player but we know from Gray that he underperforms rather than over-achieves. The way I see it is that it is healthy for us to sell a player every season for the books and to freshen up the squad a bit. The two players we have that we could sell at the top of their value to do that which we could replace their output fairly easily are Gray and Gordon. If we dont sell Gray by next summer, I think his value will go down whereas Gordon's has more chance of going up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted October 7, 2022 Report Share Posted October 7, 2022 I can see both sides of this. Gray provides some exciting runs, gets into threatening positions, but he seems to lack judgment on knowing how to convert - usually going it alone when an incisive pass would be better. Those runs can be amazing, but what must change to make them count? In the end, it's a coaching issue. Iwobi was so frustrating a year ago, although you could sense the talent. Good coaching has turned him around. The same needs to happen with Gray: Someone needs to take ownership of his situation and get the most value from him. If that doesn't happen over the course of the season, I agree that we should consider moving him along. Matt and Wiggytop 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted October 7, 2022 Report Share Posted October 7, 2022 I would rather have a player of Gray’s ability who is able to beat players at will and give defenders a tough time, yes he’s not the finished article, but Lampard and his team need to rein him in and work on his finished product when it comes to creating. Formby and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted October 7, 2022 Report Share Posted October 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, Palfy said: I would rather have a player of Gray’s ability who is able to beat players at will and give defenders a tough time, yes he’s not the finished article, but Lampard and his team need to rein him in and work on his finished product when it comes to creating. I believe we're saying the same thing - except that you took fewer words. Palfy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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