Tom Davies

[Cornish Steve]

16 hours ago, Bill said:

 If you feel you've got to have a laugh when you come on here there's a jokes section at the bottom of the forum.

Ahh - sorry. I thought that was where we discussed past managers.

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-tom-davies-change-solve-21515761

[StevO]

29 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-tom-davies-change-solve-21515761

I’m sure i’m not the only one unhappy to read any idea of Davies playing right back. 

[pete0]

... and his boundless energy is a big plus at right-back.

I'm a big Davies fan but even I wouldn't say he's got boundless energy. As square pegs go he's an option but depends more on the opposition. If tactically you want the right back to be bombing down and overlapping Godfrey would be the better option. 

[Aidan]

Right back might give Davies a new lease of life at Everton.

It probably won't... but it might.

Either way, he can't be much worse than Kenny there.

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

Given another opportunity to show what he has got tonight and he completely blew it again 

I really wanted him to make it in an Everton shirt but it’s not looking good at the moment. 
Playing against lower league opposition he should have taken the game by the scruff of the neck and dictated play but his only impact on the game was missing the decisive penalty

Surely this is the last time we ever see Gomes and Davies starting together for Everton? They’ve got to be the weakest CM pairing we’ve ever had in the history of the club

 

[Bailey]

Just think if Davies had actually agreed to be sold this summer instead of fighting for his place, we might have been able to get in a proper player.

[Elston Gunnn]

The cruel irony for Davies himself is that in missing the PK, he’s deprived himself of his best opportunity to start: Carabao Cup matches.

[Romey 1878]

3 minutes ago, Bailey said:

Just think if Davies had actually agreed to be sold this summer instead of fighting for his place, we might have been able to get in a proper player.

If tonight was fighting for his place then I'd hate to see a player that has given up...

[Shukes]

It’s time lads!

[London Blue]

9 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

Given another opportunity to show what he has got tonight and he completely blew it again 

I really wanted him to make it in an Everton shirt but it’s not looking good at the moment. 
Playing against lower league opposition he should have taken the game by the scruff of the neck and dictated play but his only impact on the game was missing the decisive penalty

Surely this is the last time we ever see Gomes and Davies starting together for Everton? They’ve got to be the weakest CM pairing we’ve ever had in the history of the club

 

Yeah, in the 100 plus year history of our club, Davies and Gomez is the worst pairing. Way worse than the some of the dynamic duo's we had under previous managers  

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

1 hour ago, London Blue said:

Yeah, in the 100 plus year history of our club, Davies and Gomez is the worst pairing. Way worse than the some of the dynamic duo's we had under previous managers  

I’ve been watching Everton home and away for the best part of 50 years and while there have been plenty of worse players individually than either Davies or Gomes I genuinely can’t think of a worse pairing

 

[Romey 1878]

2 hours ago, Shukes said:

It’s time lads!

It has been for years tbf.

[London Blue]

45 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

I’ve been watching Everton home and away for the best part of 50 years and while there have been plenty of worse players individually than either Davies or Gomes I genuinely can’t think of a worse pairing

 

Philip Neville and any of his midfield partners for one.

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

45 minutes ago, London Blue said:

Philip Neville and any of his midfield partners for one.

IMO Phil Neville was far more effective than these two when they are played together 

I also said there were many worse players individually so you would need to give me a specific example of any pairing you are referring to

[MikeO]

1 hour ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

I also said there were many worse players individually so you would need to give me a specific example of any pairing you are referring to

How about Scot Gemmill and Stephen Hughes, or Gemmill with Nyarko?

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

2 hours ago, MikeO said:

How about Scot Gemmill and Stephen Hughes, or Gemmill with Nyarko?

Now that’s a fair argument!

[Aidan]

9 hours ago, patto said:

Sorry but Davies has no pace he can’t possibly play right back. 

Can't be any slower than Luca Digne... Pace isn't everything.

To be honest though I agree with you. I've seen enough of Davies and haven't really thought he'd be anymore use to the club for several seasons now.

To go a step further the club needs a huge overhaul. Keane, Holgate, Davies, Gomes, Sigurdsson, Kenny have all been here far too long and haven't proven they're good enough to take us where we want to be. Recruitment is a real mess and I don't see it getting better under Moshiri.

[dunlopp9987]

4 minutes ago, Aidan said:

Can't be any slower than Luca Digne... Pace isn't everything.

To be honest though I agree with you. I've seen enough of Davies and haven't really thought he'd be anymore use to the club for several seasons now.

To go a step further the club needs a huge overhaul. Keane, Holgate, Davies, Gomes, Sigurdsson, Kenny have all been here far too long and haven't proven they're good enough to take us where we want to be. Recruitment is a real mess and I don't see it getting better under Moshiri.

What's interesting about the players you mentioned (bar Kenny) is that they've all had moments, even as recently as last season, where they were a difference maker for us. So while I agree that we need to move on from them being integral parts of the first team, there's an argument to be made that they are good options as squad players. We're not going to be a City or Chelsea with all that squad depth (at least not anytime soon), so I wouldn't be averse to some of those guys being useful squad players. 

[Btay]

On 22/09/2021 at 07:44, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

Given another opportunity to show what he has got tonight and he completely blew it again 

I really wanted him to make it in an Everton shirt but it’s not looking good at the moment. 
Playing against lower league opposition he should have taken the game by the scruff of the neck and dictated play but his only impact on the game was missing the decisive penalty

Surely this is the last time we ever see Gomes and Davies starting together for Everton? They’ve got to be the weakest CM pairing we’ve ever had in the history of the club

 

I think only Allan and Doucoure can play as a midfield 2. Maybe, Gbamin but who actually knows with him. Gomes and Davies are just not physical enough. That one is on benetiz though, hopefully he learns from it.

[London Blue]

Players like Davies and Gomes need to be in a midfield 3 to be effective, if you put them in a midfield of two they wont perform well. 

Sometimes a midfield 3 will suit us, and when it does they are useful players.

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

2 hours ago, London Blue said:

Players like Davies and Gomes need to be in a midfield 3 to be effective, if you put them in a midfield of two they wont perform well. 

Sometimes a midfield 3 will suit us, and when it does they are useful players.

I think they just need a ball winner alongside them, well Gomes anyway he was superb when we had Gueye alongside him

 The issue is neither are capable of stamping their authority on the game so when you put them together it’s a recipe for disaster as we’ve seen

[Palfy]

13 hours ago, Btay said:

I think only Allan and Doucoure can play as a midfield 2. Maybe, Gbamin but who actually knows with him. Gomes and Davies are just not physical enough. That one is on benetiz though, hopefully he learns from it.

I agree about Allan and Doucoure, how long can Allan carry on playing at the intensity he does I don’t know possibly another season 2 at the most. I don’t see Gbamin taking over from him to be honest I don’t see him ever being a regular in the team, which is a shame really after all the bad luck he’s had to endure.  

[Bailey]

19 hours ago, dunlopp9987 said:

What's interesting about the players you mentioned (bar Kenny) is that they've all had moments, even as recently as last season, where they were a difference maker for us. So while I agree that we need to move on from them being integral parts of the first team, there's an argument to be made that they are good options as squad players. We're not going to be a City or Chelsea with all that squad depth (at least not anytime soon), so I wouldn't be averse to some of those guys being useful squad players. 

I think you need to look at when those players were difference makers. Most of them was when we spent 90% of the game camped around our 18 yard box. As soon as you want to play more expansively, those players show their glaring weaknesses.

37 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

I think they just need a ball winner alongside them, well Gomes anyway he was superb when we had Gueye alongside him

 The issue is neither are capable of stamping their authority on the game so when you put them together it’s a recipe for disaster as we’ve seen

I think both would struggle alongside Allan as well. To get the most out of Davies and Gomes, you basically need someone who can do their own job plus a bit of theirs as well.

I can see the argument about them both being capable in a 3 man midfield, but that is only because it papers over the cracks in their game. I would rather we sold them on and brought in a player that didn't need his hand to be held for 90 minutes.

[Wiggytop]

5 hours ago, Bailey said:

I would rather we sold them on and brought in a player that didn't need his hand to be held for 90 minutes.

2 out and 1 in, surely that’s going to leave us short of players when injuries are picked up even more so that we are at present, I’d go 1 out and 1 in 

[London Blue]

6 hours ago, Bailey said:

I think you need to look at when those players were difference makers. Most of them was when we spent 90% of the game camped around our 18 yard box. As soon as you want to play more expansively, those players show their glaring weaknesses.

I think both would struggle alongside Allan as well. To get the most out of Davies and Gomes, you basically need someone who can do their own job plus a bit of theirs as well.

I can see the argument about them both being capable in a 3 man midfield, but that is only because it papers over the cracks in their game. I would rather we sold them on and brought in a player that didn't need his hand to be held for 90 minutes.

Football is a team game, players complementing each other and working together. It's not a question of holding players hands, its a question certain players working better in certain formtions. Both Doucoure and Alan are high energy players as was Gana, which allowed other players to play their game. To me, we have always looked more effective when we have played a midfield 3, mostly I guess because we have had the players that suit that system. In the Burnley game we looked so much better when he had Gomes, Doucoure, and Alan playing together.

We have a threadbare squad and it will take time to repair the damage done by Walsh and co, I am sure painful lessons have been learnt. When the FFP rules allow we can recruit the players we need. 

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

 

[Btay]

20 hours ago, Palfy said:

I agree about Allan and Doucoure, how long can Allan carry on playing at the intensity he does I don’t know possibly another season 2 at the most. I don’t see Gbamin taking over from him to be honest I don’t see him ever being a regular in the team, which is a shame really after all the bad luck he’s had to endure.  

Allan seems like the kind of player that will come back from a pre season and just no longer be at the level required. Gbamin is just an unknown, after this long i just can’t see him being a reliable option.

I hope we are looking at options for the summer window however.

[Romey 1878]

4 minutes ago, Btay said:

I hope we are looking at options for the summer window however.

That would require forward planning, being proactive rather than reactive. I know we're usually so good at that...

[Btay]

Just now, Romey 1878 said:

That would require forward planning, being proactive rather than reactive. I know we're usually so good at that...

Seriously though - if Gana isn’t getting time at PSG we should be all over getting him back on loan.