Palfy Posted September 13, 2021 Report Share Posted September 13, 2021 4 hours ago, Matt said: Facts come with evidence, Bill. So far there's media and social bloggers being mentioned. That's not fact. Soon unless we take our social media information to the high court to get judgment on whether it’s fact or fiction, there’s seems very little point on posting any stories from the papers or internet sports sites, because if it doesn’t support your or my beliefs then it’s just going to be what a load of rubbish show me the evidence, no debating the merits of what’s been posted just show me the evidence, how bizarre that will be for a forum. Bill and StevO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted September 13, 2021 Report Share Posted September 13, 2021 My original post was to say we have opened a can of worms and i gave the Rodriguez wage as an example, it may not have been the figure Quoted but the scenario is exactly what does happen. Certain people are disputing the figures that I used saying that I don't know for a fact what the wage figure was, that's true but by that same thinking neither do they know for a fact that its not. Its the scenario that's true and the fact is I have also opened a can of worms in this thread, so if you don't like it, hard luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elston Gunnn Posted September 13, 2021 Report Share Posted September 13, 2021 Benitez, briefly, on James’s strengths and weaknesses: https://www.evertonfc.com/news/2253507/what-the-papers-say-13-september Maybe not all that revealing, yet Benitez’s short comment doesn’t do justice to James’s offensive brilliance, which starts but doesn’t end with his left foot. He is understandably vague about James’s weaknesses. I guess you could say Benitez is being sensible, practical, dealing with an awkward situation involving a player he doesn’t really want but who also might still produce goals and assists. Wonder how the “James problem” affects team spirit, confidence, player relations, match-planning? Issues like this — player wanting out but still around — pretty common? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hafnia Posted September 13, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted September 13, 2021 "We know his strengths," Benitez said. "He's a player with a really good left foot. We know the weaknesses that he has too. He has to show his strengths on the pitch and at the same time improve his weaknesses. "I don't expect him to change his style, but we need to find a balance between what he can give to the team and what we are expecting from him.” Perfectly put. Rafa is like a teacher trying to get a response from a lazy but talented pupil. The previous teacher allowed him to stare out the window as long as he did a few paragraphs of quality.... This teacher wants a full lessons worth. Its not unreasonable to say that James Rodriguez is one of the best passers of a football in the world. Certainly the best passer of a slide rule ball in the game imo. So that being said, why haven't top teams come in for him? Is it that Rafa isn't on his own in thinking that for all his potential game changing quality - it's not enough to sacrifice a balanced team for? I'd say so. plaidharper, StevO, Bailey and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted September 13, 2021 Report Share Posted September 13, 2021 https://www.goodisonnews.com/2021/09/13/pat-nevin-james-rodriguez-can-be-important-for-everton/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffRob Posted September 13, 2021 Report Share Posted September 13, 2021 It now almost immaterial what James is being paid, at least until January as we can't off load his wages and bring other players. (he is not going to any inferior league where window is still open) We currently now pay both James and Benitez handsomely - The pair just need to get on with it and both do their best to win for Everton. It doesn't mean Benitez is obligated to put James in the starting line up every week, but if we lose and we lacked 'creativity' in such games - the question of why didn't James play will be justified. Equally if the results come and James does not play, then it's justification on leaving him out. James needs to do his level best to adapt his game as much as possible to suit the way the current manager what to team to set up and play. We always take about effort and hard work being the minimum we expect from our players - I think that is all that Benitez what to see from James. This is what all the other players have to do, James just can't be give a special privilege card over the rest of the squad. Palfy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted September 13, 2021 Report Share Posted September 13, 2021 17 minutes ago, RuffRob said: (he is not going to any inferior league where window is still open) As the only two still open are Serbia and Israel I suspect you're right. StevO and markjazzbassist 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post duncanmckenzieismagic Posted September 18, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted September 18, 2021 I think it’s ridiculous that he hasn’t made the match day squdtoday, surely even a half fit James is better than not being able to fill the bench ? Newty82, StevO, Matt and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 18, 2021 Report Share Posted September 18, 2021 35 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: I think it’s ridiculous that he hasn’t made the match day squdtoday, surely even a half fit James is better than not being able to fill the bench ? Maybe Rafa has rules and they aren't being met. I'd like to think he would get a place but if he's not training well etc then I understand why. All speculation of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted September 18, 2021 Report Share Posted September 18, 2021 1 hour ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: I think it’s ridiculous that he hasn’t made the match day squdtoday, surely even a half fit James is better than not being able to fill the bench ? If we set up with a player behind the striker he should be the first name on the team sheet. Probably would have made the difference in the first half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted September 18, 2021 Report Share Posted September 18, 2021 26 minutes ago, pete0 said: If we set up with a player behind the striker he should be the first name on the team sheet. Probably would have made the difference in the first half. What an awful Saturday night, spanked by Villa and now I’m agreeing with Pete ! StevO, Btay and Romey 1878 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted September 18, 2021 Report Share Posted September 18, 2021 1 hour ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: I think it’s ridiculous that he hasn’t made the match day squdtoday, surely even a half fit James is better than not being able to fill the bench ? Especially when we can't name a full bench. I understand where some peeps are coming from, like Hafnia for example, but I've got to admit this side of Rafa is something I wasn't looking forward to - a kind of egotistical stubborness, the need to be. I'm sat on the fence with this one to be honest. Hopefully it sorts itself out for the best of the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post duncanmckenzieismagic Posted September 18, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted September 18, 2021 After Benitez confirmed tonight it will be a minimum of two to three weeks before we see DCL, Richarlison , Pickford or Seamus an already threadbare squad really is down to the bare bones, it would be madness to continue to exclude him Sibdane, Btay, Matt and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted September 18, 2021 Report Share Posted September 18, 2021 4 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: After Benitez confirmed tonight it will be a minimum of two to three weeks before we see DCL, Richarlison , Pickford or Seamus an already threadbare squad really is down to the bare bones, it would be madness to continue to exclude him Agree. They have to find a way to make it work. Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted September 18, 2021 Report Share Posted September 18, 2021 1 hour ago, pete0 said: If we set up with a player behind the striker he should be the first name on the team sheet. Probably would have made the difference in the first half. Gray will only benefit from James feeding him. Disappointed with how this is developing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted September 19, 2021 Report Share Posted September 19, 2021 To be fair, we don’t even know if he is up to fitness yet. London Blue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cornish Steve Posted September 19, 2021 Report Share Posted September 19, 2021 48 minutes ago, c1982 said: It seems Benitez is determined to offload James no matter what. He's a stubborn man who plays favorites: always has been. pete0 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted September 19, 2021 Report Share Posted September 19, 2021 If he is not going to plsy for us, for whatever reason then he needs to leave the club. He is on too much money that we can use to get a right back!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post c1982 Posted September 19, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted September 19, 2021 15 minutes ago, Cornish Steve said: It seems Benitez is determined to offload James no matter what. He's a stubborn man who plays favorites: always has been. Or it seems the club needs to offload his huge wages… or it seems James wants to play elsewhere but doesn’t want to take a pay cut. Plenty of potential narratives - not ruling your one out but, equally, none of us are certain. dunlopp9987, Sibdane, Matt and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 20, 2021 Report Share Posted September 20, 2021 15 hours ago, Cornish Steve said: It seems Benitez is determined to offload James no matter what. He's a stubborn man who plays favorites: always has been. Ok..... Let's look at this properly. James Rodriguez is an elite level talent with game changing ability. We went and got him on a free..... Real Madrid wanted shut, Bayern never wanted to keep him. Rafa wasn't the manager of either of those teams..... So other managers may share his views of him. James came to Everton with almost no competition for his signature due to his relationship with Ancellotti..... Ancellotti has gone, James was available for free and Ancellotti hasn't signed him. No other teams are interested in this player it seems.....so what gives???? Football clubs are not stupid, they do due diligence when signing players and James agent has been told to find him a club but can't find one. I don't think this is all about Rafa. He may not like him or think he has a place in his system but he is not the only manager who doesn't want him. Good players available on free transfer and 50 percent wages get snapped up. Simple as that. He isn't. RuffRob, Matt and plaidharper 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted September 20, 2021 Report Share Posted September 20, 2021 He definitely came back this summer with a point to prove. The only thing he is proving at the moment is that he can't hack it when the going gets tough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hafnia Posted September 20, 2021 Report Share Posted September 20, 2021 13 minutes ago, Bailey said: He definitely came back this summer with a point to prove. The only thing he is proving at the moment is that he can't hack it when the going gets tough. He's gone down the mercenaries route super fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffRob Posted September 20, 2021 Report Share Posted September 20, 2021 14 minutes ago, Hafnia said: Ok..... Let's look at this properly. James Rodriguez is an elite level talent with game changing ability. We went and got him on a free..... Real Madrid wanted shut, Bayern never wanted to keep him. Rafa wasn't the manager of either of those teams..... So other managers may share his views of him. James came to Everton with almost no competition for his signature due to his relationship with Ancellotti..... Ancellotti has gone, James was available for free and Ancellotti hasn't signed him. No other teams are interested in this player it seems.....so what gives???? Football clubs are not stupid, they do due diligence when signing players and James agent has been told to find him a club but can't find one. I don't think this is all about Rafa. He may not like him or think he has a place in his system but he is not the only manager who doesn't want him. Good players available on free transfer and 50 percent wages get snapped up. Simple as that. He isn't. unfortunately you can't really argue with the fact's you have laid bare - James is not particular sort after by other clubs and managers. It's been no secret he has been available all summer, and no takes. James was a signing made to please Ancelotti. It turns out Ancelotti himself was a mistake, so I find it really difficult to argue that Benitez or any other manager to go out of their way to accommodate James in the team. Has to be the new managers choice of how this team moves forward. I read this weekend that Nuno was close to signing as our manager, but the club where put off by the fact Nuno wanted to build around James - the club did not want this and he didn't get the job. Now true this is I don't know - but its out there. I would appear that Benitez and the club are pulling in the same direction - and James is just not part of the future of this football club. What is better for the club? - playing the likes of Grey and Iwobi more and building their experience and confidence in a Benitez team or adapting our system and style outside what the manager wants to instil in the squad to somehow shoehorn James in the team when he is fit. A nice as James can be to watch, he just isn't part of the future of this club, so effort is better spent elsewhere. dunlopp9987 and Hafnia 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffRob Posted September 20, 2021 Report Share Posted September 20, 2021 29 minutes ago, Hafnia said: finger crossed with this. I think the money saved this season will do us far more good than James on the bench. Love him or not, there is a bit of an unwelcome circus around him and we can just move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted September 20, 2021 Report Share Posted September 20, 2021 2 hours ago, Hafnia said: Bayern never wanted to keep him. https://onefootball.com/en/news/karl-heinz-rummenigge-reveals-why-bayern-didnt-sign-james-rodriguez-25900411 They wanted him. James asked them not to sign him. StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted September 20, 2021 Report Share Posted September 20, 2021 Quatar must sign him before 30th September. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 20, 2021 Report Share Posted September 20, 2021 20 minutes ago, pete0 said: https://onefootball.com/en/news/karl-heinz-rummenigge-reveals-why-bayern-didnt-sign-james-rodriguez-25900411 They wanted him. James asked them not to sign him. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2838224-karl-heinz-rummenigge-discusses-bayern-munichs-plan-for-james-rodriguez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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