Palfy Posted January 15, 2023 Report Share Posted January 15, 2023 The last time Everton had this amount of points from the same amount of games was in 1951, and that year we were relegated from Division One. I think I'm right in saying that year there were 22 teams in the league, so there are 4 games less to try and get out of it than there was in 1951, whether that is negative factor I'm not sure, but I would argue any manager would want more games and time to turn things around. Sadly Lampard has to go he isn't going to change our fortunes in the next 19 games so we need to take that chance that someone else might be able to. I said 3-4 weeks ago I am resigned to Everton been relegated so I'm at peace with that sad yes but not angry, and I also said that our relegation would be the chance to get rid of Moshiri and start to fix the damage of the last 7 years. So prepare for relegation and the chance to rebuild our club in the Championship, and we will come back happier and stronger, and remember you will always be a supporter no matter what league, because Everton FC needs our support to survive, not Moshiri and his board. I'm at peace hope you all get there and we will get through this COYB Gwlad and AlbanyNYToffee 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted January 15, 2023 Report Share Posted January 15, 2023 22 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: I have 5 years until 40 and I can't see me reaching it. Your still a pup then Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted January 15, 2023 Report Share Posted January 15, 2023 7 minutes ago, Palfy said: Your still a pup then And if Everton have anything to do with it that's how I'll remain. Palfy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 15, 2023 Report Share Posted January 15, 2023 32 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: I have 5 years until 40 and I can't see me reaching it. I'm 40 in August and neither can I. Bailey, Romey 1878 and AlbanyNYToffee 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted January 15, 2023 Report Share Posted January 15, 2023 7 hours ago, RuffRob said: But Southampton, Wolves and even Forest look to have found a bit of confidence in the last couple of weeks. We are rock bottom in confidence, maybe West Ham are the only other team as doom and gloom as us at the moment, but they do have a bit of quality in that team and an experienced manager to get a good run going. I think now we are the weakest link in the league at the moment. West Ham will smell blood on us and no doubt put in that extra effort in a bit to get there season going. Low confidence, low quality, club in crisis - after yesterday's morning goings on I just feel that has made this season terminal. Most season one or two teams are nailed on for relegation, so usually have to dodge one bullet and not fill the final spot. This season there are three bullets to dodge. I am usually optimistic, but I feel letting that goal in in the first minute of the second half was the first nail in our coffin. It was a six pointer game and I that equaliser turn momentum. I agree there is a lot of football still to play and nothing is certain, but things are very very broken here. Confidence comes and goes though. There are plenty of times you think a team is over their troubles and they get dragged back in again. An easy example is Leicester. They looked like they would climb the league again then all of a sudden, they are right back in the thick of it. Yes things are very broken but a decisive change and a bit of leadership at the top, a signing or two and a result can change the feeling around the club quickly (playing side, not boardroom). It doesn't look good for us at the moment but I am not giving up hope just yet. Lose to West Ham and I might MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plaidharper Posted January 15, 2023 Report Share Posted January 15, 2023 Never going to make it to 40. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffRob Posted January 15, 2023 Report Share Posted January 15, 2023 2 hours ago, Bailey said: Confidence comes and goes though. There are plenty of times you think a team is over their troubles and they get dragged back in again. An easy example is Leicester. They looked like they would climb the league again then all of a sudden, they are right back in the thick of it. Yes things are very broken but a decisive change and a bit of leadership at the top, a signing or two and a result can change the feeling around the club quickly (playing side, not boardroom). It doesn't look good for us at the moment but I am not giving up hope just yet. Lose to West Ham and I might My fear is that those teams around us have now taken points of us at home and they now have them banked. We have not taken any of what might be deemed the 'low hanging fruit' - none any of it!! we have played most of what should be our 'easiest' home games. Its very very frustrating as in either the Wolves or the Saints game, we where not really second best or well beaten by any means - we just didn't take our chances and paid for it big time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted January 15, 2023 Report Share Posted January 15, 2023 43 minutes ago, RuffRob said: My fear is that those teams around us have now taken points of us at home and they now have them banked. We have not taken any of what might be deemed the 'low hanging fruit' - none any of it!! we have played most of what should be our 'easiest' home games. Its very very frustrating as in either the Wolves or the Saints game, we where not really second best or well beaten by any means - we just didn't take our chances and paid for it big time. Oh definitely, we are doing it the hard way that is for sure but as the weeks go on, especially at the end of the season what was an easy game changes. Those teams in midtable, safe from relegation but with no chance of top 6, stop playing and you can pick up points. We have 19 games to play, or 57 points available. It is all still there for the taking, and no-one at the club should lose sight of that however desperate things look now. Btay 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad Posted January 15, 2023 Report Share Posted January 15, 2023 At the moment we are surely the worst of the worst and after 50 years as a supporter it hurts to confront that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Matt Posted January 15, 2023 Popular Post Report Share Posted January 15, 2023 2 hours ago, Bailey said: Oh definitely, we are doing it the hard way that is for sure but as the weeks go on, especially at the end of the season what was an easy game changes. Those teams in midtable, safe from relegation but with no chance of top 6, stop playing and you can pick up points. We have 19 games to play, or 57 points available. It is all still there for the taking, and no-one at the club should lose sight of that however desperate things look now. I've not completely given up hope yet because of this but there needs to be a massive mental and tactical improvement. I've always said end of February is the real deciding point of a relegation fight and currently it's 1 win from being 14th. There's going to be about 6 clubs in the scrap, we just need to be better that 3 of the remaining 5. Sibdane, London Blue, MikeO and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted January 22, 2023 Report Share Posted January 22, 2023 49 minutes ago, RPG said: A big 'if' maybe but if we can somehow beat Arsenal in our next game, it is quite likely that Soton, Wolves, West Ham, Bournemouth, Leicester and Leeds could all lose and we could be up to 16th and Frank is the messiah again! Manifest it! We are going to win. Laws of attraction are a real thing I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunlopp9987 Posted January 22, 2023 Report Share Posted January 22, 2023 14 minutes ago, Shukes said: Manifest it! We are going to win. Laws of attraction are a real thing I believe. I'm watching them against United, we have no chance. Only thing we can hope for in this second half is that both of their center backs and Saka get booked which would keep them out against us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted January 22, 2023 Report Share Posted January 22, 2023 8 hours ago, RPG said: A big 'if' maybe but if we can somehow beat Arsenal in our next game, it is quite likely that Soton, Wolves, West Ham, Bournemouth, Leicester and Leeds could all lose and we could be up to 16th and Frank is the messiah again! You've been in the sun to long mate. plaidharper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plaidharper Posted January 22, 2023 Report Share Posted January 22, 2023 Arsenal going to destroy us and we are never getting anywhere close to 40 points this season... Only chance we have is if there are three other teams who also do not make it to 40 and even then... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted January 22, 2023 Report Share Posted January 22, 2023 1 hour ago, plaidharper said: Arsenal going to destroy us and we are never getting anywhere close to 40 points this season... Only chance we have is if there are three other teams who also do not make it to 40 and even then... The only hope is that Arsenal get complacent and have an off day like City did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wall Writer Posted January 23, 2023 Report Share Posted January 23, 2023 We don't usually come back after the breaks well. I can't see this being any different, unless we get some forward thinking players in sharpish and there is a complete change in the mentality of the team. Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted January 29, 2023 Report Share Posted January 29, 2023 5 minutes ago, RPG said: Looking at the next 2 week's fixtures there is a chance that 2 draws will see us up to 18th and really in the mix with the teams still above us. I think that might be what Dyche looks for to stop the rot and get some points on the board. The teams around us either play each other or play difficult opposition. Don't play anyone as difficult as we do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted January 29, 2023 Report Share Posted January 29, 2023 I don't think we should expect anything from Arsenal. They are on a different planet to us and they will pin us back and find the holes. It could be a really horrible game and we could get stuffed. The game we have to target is the Liverpool game. That is the one the club needs to give it a lift. dunlopp9987, chicagoblue, Matt and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 29, 2023 Report Share Posted January 29, 2023 3 minutes ago, Bailey said: I don't think we should expect anything from Arsenal. They are on a different planet to us and they will pin us back and find the holes. It could be a really horrible game and we could get stuffed. The game we have to target is the Liverpool game. That is the one the club needs to give it a lift. Whilst I agree with you, we said the same about City. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunlopp9987 Posted January 29, 2023 Report Share Posted January 29, 2023 3 minutes ago, Bailey said: I don't think we should expect anything from Arsenal. They are on a different planet to us and they will pin us back and find the holes. It could be a really horrible game and we could get stuffed. The game we have to target is the Liverpool game. That is the one the club needs to give it a lift. My buddy is a Gooner and he thinks there's a real chance we could come out if it with at least a point, depending on how Dyche does with the squad this week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted January 29, 2023 Report Share Posted January 29, 2023 5 minutes ago, Matt said: Whilst I agree with you, we said the same about City. Arsenal are in a different space to City IMO. City might have more talent but Arsenal are playing with an incredible intensity. 4 minutes ago, dunlopp9987 said: My buddy is a Gooner and he thinks there's a real chance we could come out if it with at least a point, depending on how Dyche does with the squad this week Not for me. The only way we get anything is if Arsenal miss a boat load of chances. Im just wary that I can see how this goes. Optimism creeps in, unrealistic expectations follow, we get battered and people are after the managers head already and the place gets gloomier again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffRob Posted January 29, 2023 Report Share Posted January 29, 2023 1 hour ago, Bailey said: Arsenal are in a different space to City IMO. City might have more talent but Arsenal are playing with an incredible intensity. Not for me. The only way we get anything is if Arsenal miss a boat load of chances. Im just wary that I can see how this goes. Optimism creeps in, unrealistic expectations follow, we get battered and people are after the managers head already and the place gets gloomier again. In any one off game any Premiership team can get a result over another. Clean slate of individual players and clean slate for the 'team'. Can just give you that little bit extra. Arsenal out of the FA Cup at the weekend. So will have just taken a bit of wind out of there sails. If I had to bet my house, the money would go on a Arsenal win, but think our chances of getting something are improved from a week -10days ago. The leauges current top team, so it kind of a free pass, as nobody really expects anything, so that takes the pressure off a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted January 29, 2023 Report Share Posted January 29, 2023 2 hours ago, RuffRob said: In any one off game any Premiership team can get a result over another. Clean slate of individual players and clean slate for the 'team'. Can just give you that little bit extra. Arsenal out of the FA Cup at the weekend. So will have just taken a bit of wind out of there sails. If I had to bet my house, the money would go on a Arsenal win, but think our chances of getting something are improved from a week -10days ago. The leauges current top team, so it kind of a free pass, as nobody really expects anything, so that takes the pressure off a bit. I think Arsenal will actually come out of the game with heart. They were probably the better team against City and it will further validate them that they are a brilliant side that can go on and win the league. Of course its football, so anything can happen, but I just dont see this matching up well. Arsenal will pin us back. Dyche is well known to heavily involve his wingers in defensive positions so I can see us looking a lot like a back 6 at times and without checking the stats I dont think his Burnley side ever did that well away at City who are the most comparable side to Arsenal. I agree that it is a free pass, the toughest training game the players could get. Goal difference could be huge so keep it close. Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted January 29, 2023 Report Share Posted January 29, 2023 I think 36 will be enough to stay up but I can see us getting more so we should be OK. Let's have no more doom and gloom. Shukes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MikeO Posted January 29, 2023 Popular Post Report Share Posted January 29, 2023 31 minutes ago, Bill said: I think 36 will be enough to stay up but I can see us getting more so we should be OK. Let's have no more doom and gloom. Can you send me one of your pills please Bill, I could do with some of that attitude Matt, Wiggytop, Gwlad and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted January 29, 2023 Report Share Posted January 29, 2023 1 hour ago, MikeO said: Can you send me one of your pills please Bill, I could do with some of that attitude Only 1? AlbanyNYToffee and Romey 1878 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted January 29, 2023 Report Share Posted January 29, 2023 I'll remind you all come May time and pass you some pills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted January 29, 2023 Report Share Posted January 29, 2023 20 minutes ago, Bill said: I'll remind you all come May time and pass you some pills. Bill. you could well be right, for some reason I think Dyche is a good fit, allot will depend on what transfers we can get done and who stays fit. Time will tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad Posted January 29, 2023 Report Share Posted January 29, 2023 27 minutes ago, Bill said: I'll remind you all come May time and pass you some pills. Probably best to keep London out of it!! Newty82 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted January 30, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 Honestly, I don't feel at all worried. We're just halfway through the season, and we're easily better than four or five of those teams currently above us. It will take focus and graft, but we won't be sweating it out like last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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