Btay Posted May 23, 2022 Report Share Posted May 23, 2022 I’d be happy to have him as back up but I’m not sure I see a player in there. He’s often rash and reckless with his tackling whilst also I think he lacks the real physicality required to be a good CB in this league. Heath and Bailey 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heath Posted May 23, 2022 Report Share Posted May 23, 2022 I'd be more than happy for Holgate to remain at Everton if he can iron out his faults and continue to improve. Fosse Captain, London Blue and Matt 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad Posted May 24, 2022 Report Share Posted May 24, 2022 Agree, Heath. He has had an up down Everton career, wasn't Koeman his first manager? He's improved under Lampard who I think has shown belief in him. He's 25 so I'm happy to stick with him. Heath, Fosse Captain and London Blue 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyBlue Posted May 28, 2022 Report Share Posted May 28, 2022 On 22/05/2022 at 23:29, Btay said: I’d be happy to have him as back up but I’m not sure I see a player in there. He’s often rash and reckless with his tackling whilst also I think he lacks the real physicality required to be a good CB in this league. I think it’s easy to forget that 3 seasons ago he was our best young player and there was real concern he was going to follow Stones to greener pastures. Injuries set him back and he hasn’t been the same. These last few games were encouraging. There is a player in there, or was. For me, I see enough that I’m willing to give him one more go. Matt, London Blue and Gwlad 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted May 28, 2022 Report Share Posted May 28, 2022 On 24/05/2022 at 18:18, Gwlad all over said: Agree, Heath. He has had an up down Everton career, wasn't Koeman his first manager? He's improved under Lampard who I think has shown belief in him. He's 25 so I'm happy to stick with him. He improved under Lampard when we switched back to very simple and protective football. When we tried to play the way Lampard wanted to, like the other CBs, he was found out again and again. I still dont really know what qualities make him a Premier League footballer for teams looking towards the top half of the table. I get that its questionable as to whether we are or not but I expect the goal will be top half and we certainly need to be looking at that type of player. The only reason I would keep him around is because he is relatively versatile and cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad Posted May 28, 2022 Report Share Posted May 28, 2022 With a lot out of the door we need to keep some players who know the club. I have knocked Holgate but I think he has benefited from Lampard and his coaching staff so worth keeping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggytop Posted May 29, 2022 Report Share Posted May 29, 2022 15 hours ago, Gwlad all over said: With a lot out of the door we need to keep some players who know the club. I have knocked Holgate but I think he has benefited from Lampard and his coaching staff so worth keeping. This, and at present his value isn’t probably that great, if he can stop the rash tackles, and concentration lapses, he will be an asset either on the pitch or financially, a win win situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted May 29, 2022 Report Share Posted May 29, 2022 I think his performances in the last few months should give him the opportunity to make a claim to be starting for us next season. After that he needs to prove himself again. London Blue, Shukes and Romey 1878 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted May 29, 2022 Report Share Posted May 29, 2022 Personally I feel our Achilles heel has been our defence in the last few seasons, Ancelotti got fairly lucky that Mina nearly played a majority of the season which was a massive plus for his defensive plan. I can’t see any positivity in keeping Holgate, him Keane, Godfrey and Coleman have formed one of the worst defence's in the league for a few years, only good thing this season was the emergence of Mykolenko and a couple of decent games from Mina. For me Holgate goes with Mina Keane and Godfrey if the right offers come in and Coleman becomes a back up and mentor for the younger players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodison Glory Posted May 29, 2022 Report Share Posted May 29, 2022 2 hours ago, Palfy said: Personally I feel our Achilles heel has been our defence in the last few seasons, Ancelotti got fairly lucky that Mina nearly played a majority of the season which was a massive plus for his defensive plan. I can’t see any positivity in keeping Holgate, him Keane, Godfrey and Coleman have formed one of the worst defence's in the league for a few years, only good thing this season was the emergence of Mykolenko and a couple of decent games from Mina. For me Holgate goes with Mina Keane and Godfrey if the right offers come in and Coleman becomes a back up and mentor for the younger players. I'd keep hold of Godfrey. He looked a world beater not so long back. He's young enough to get that back with the right coaching and supporting cast. His stock hit rock bottom with his gaffe against Burnley!! badaids, Fosse Captain and Matt 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted May 31, 2022 Report Share Posted May 31, 2022 https://www.evertonfc.com/news/2636833/holgate-lampard-changed-my-mindset Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffRob Posted May 31, 2022 Report Share Posted May 31, 2022 On 29/05/2022 at 13:36, Goodison Glory said: I'd keep hold of Godfrey. He looked a world beater not so long back. He's young enough to get that back with the right coaching and supporting cast. His stock hit rock bottom with his gaffe against Burnley!! I think Godfrey suffered a bit this season with the effects of Covid and injury added to the chop change nature of the CB pairings we have been putting on the pitch - Given he played left back (even right back) a lot since he has been with the club and only really been filling in as CB to date, I don't think he has been given a prolonged run at a CB positioning. Different different positions, different managers and different team set ups. Godfrey has had a confusing couple of years at Everton. I now think he needs a season as one of our starting CB. Matt, StevO and Goodison Glory 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted May 31, 2022 Report Share Posted May 31, 2022 2 hours ago, Romey 1878 said: https://www.evertonfc.com/news/2636833/holgate-lampard-changed-my-mindset Exactly what I thought, but not the reasons for why. Speaks volumes about the previous managers, clearly ruled with fear rather than actual discipline Cornish Steve, StevO and London Blue 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted June 2, 2022 Report Share Posted June 2, 2022 On 31/05/2022 at 04:26, Romey 1878 said: https://www.evertonfc.com/news/2636833/holgate-lampard-changed-my-mindset “I would never criticise anyone who has been here before, they worked hard and made the decisions they thought were best for the team. But..." Clearly, a lot of players had issues with our former manager. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodison Glory Posted June 2, 2022 Report Share Posted June 2, 2022 2 hours ago, Cornish Steve said: “I would never criticise anyone who has been here before, they worked hard and made the decisions they thought were best for the team. But..." Clearly, a lot of players had issues with our former manager. You'll have to narrow down which manager you are talking about Romey 1878 and Fosse Captain 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted June 2, 2022 Report Share Posted June 2, 2022 7 hours ago, Goodison Glory said: You'll have to narrow down which manager you are talking about I'm trying to figure out which one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted July 28, 2022 Report Share Posted July 28, 2022 West Ham rumoured to have enquired about him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted July 28, 2022 Report Share Posted July 28, 2022 Maybe they'll overpay for him. chicagoblue and RuffRob 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 28, 2022 Report Share Posted July 28, 2022 15 minutes ago, Sibdane said: Maybe they'll overpay for him. They've been throwing quite a bit of money around, wouldn't be surprised if they did if they've anything left. I'd rather not sell him yet though, he was looking like he'd turned a corner under Lampard. chicagoblue, London Blue and StevO 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Romey 1878 Posted July 28, 2022 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 28, 2022 17 minutes ago, Matt said: They've been throwing quite a bit of money around, wouldn't be surprised if they did if they've anything left. I'd rather not sell him yet though, he was looking like he'd turned a corner under Lampard. He's turned that many corners he's right back where he started. Sibdane, Gwlad, RuffRob and 3 others 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffRob Posted July 28, 2022 Report Share Posted July 28, 2022 If Mina is staying - them maybe time to cash in on Holgate if the price is right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Matt Posted July 28, 2022 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 28, 2022 1 minute ago, RuffRob said: If Mina is staying - them maybe time to cash in on Holgate if the price is right. If there's a choice between an over-paid, injury prone nice guy or a consisently average but frustrating player, I'd be selling the former. London Blue, chicagoblue, StevO and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plaidharper Posted July 28, 2022 Report Share Posted July 28, 2022 8 minutes ago, Matt said: If there's a choice between an over-paid, injury prone nice guy or a consisently average but frustrating player, I'd be selling the former. But is anyone really in for either? Feel like the West Ham thing is lazy journalism. Still, can't be picky if someone does surprisingly come in offering actual money for our lackluster players otherwise you have all our players just running down their contracts then leaving on a free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted August 14, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2022 Looked fine with Coady and Tarkowski yesterday dunlopp9987, London Blue, Romey 1878 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted August 14, 2022 Report Share Posted August 14, 2022 Has had a couple of solid games to start the season. Yesterday he read the game better than the two senior players. We would have been beat by more if he wasn’t on the pitch. Btay and Goodison Glory 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted August 14, 2022 Report Share Posted August 14, 2022 I thought he did ok, but he got himself into a couple of really bad positions which he then managed to recover. On another day, he won't get away with it and that is generally the story with Holgate. He was probably the best of the three yesterday day though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodison Glory Posted August 14, 2022 Report Share Posted August 14, 2022 Yep I think he's started well. The amount of headers he won vs. chelsea was excellent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted August 14, 2022 Report Share Posted August 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Bailey said: I thought he did ok, but he got himself into a couple of really bad positions which he then managed to recover. On another day, he won't get away with it and that is generally the story with Holgate. He was probably the best of the three yesterday day though. Hopefully, with the other two alongside him, they can read and cover in those situations. I think Holgate, Coady and Tarkowski could become a really strong three. London Blue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted August 15, 2022 Report Share Posted August 15, 2022 17 hours ago, StevO said: Hopefully, with the other two alongside him, they can read and cover in those situations. I think Holgate, Coady and Tarkowski could become a really strong three. Agree but I think Holgate covered both Coady and Tarkwoski really well against Villa. Good to see and I hope he continues playing well. Shukes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted August 15, 2022 Report Share Posted August 15, 2022 21 hours ago, StevO said: Hopefully, with the other two alongside him, they can read and cover in those situations. I think Holgate, Coady and Tarkowski could become a really strong three. I can see them being strong when its backs to the walls, deep line and lots of cover. They give me palpitations against a counter attack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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