Mason Holgate

[Matt]

14 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

Whichever way you read it - it points to the fact that he thinks if you win the games in hand then don’t look like we are in relegation battle.  It’s like he’s offended by the fact we are in a dogfight. 
 

it’s absolute madness that he is coming out with that shit at this stage of the season. It sends a message that he’s not taking this as seriously as he should. I’ve been watching the game long enough to see how teams like sheff wed, forest etc lost their league status cos their players were like this. 
 

you only need to look at how it’s registered with many fans on twitter and other forums.  The fans need to feel that the players understand the criticality of the situation….. when you see dom stroll round for 70 minutes and Keane make brainless challenges then it doesn’t help. 

Thats not what he said! He uses the present tense to explain were in trouble currently and the conditional future tense for how someone would read the table if we win our games in hand. It's basic grammar. 

[Hafnia]

4 minutes ago, Matt said:

Thats not what he said! He uses the present tense to explain were in trouble currently and the conditional future tense for how someone would read the table if we win our games in hand. It's basic grammar. 

I’m not talking about grammar Matt, I’ve got a decent level of education thanks.

I’m talking about the fact that he’s talking about “if” (yes the future conditional tense which I had referred to many posts back) we win 2 games in hand and where it puts us……..

it’s complete stupidity. Fans have looked at the table, looked at our fixtures and our nearest teams fixtures and worked out the probability of where we will end up.

From a statistical analysis “if” we win all our remaining games we will be in the top half, but “if” we return points at our current run rate we will not get near 40 points.

so essentially he’s talking shite, (present tense even though he said it previously)

 

[Bailey]

54 minutes ago, Matt said:

But that's not what he said. 

He also didnt say if you only looked at the league table at the end of the season then it would be perceived that we weren't in a relegation scrap.

[Matt]

[Romey 1878]

I hate this season.

[StevO]

On 03/04/2022 at 13:28, Shukes said:

 

Team mates used to ask me who we have next week… reply was always the same. Doesn’t matter

 

I did always wonder if you were really James Rodriguez, now I’m certain!

[c1982]

Fair play to him today - he’s been ill and travelled separately from the rest of the squad but insisted on playing. That attitude is spot on and could see him having a future here when many of us (including me) had written him off.

[Romey 1878]

6 minutes ago, c1982 said:

Fair play to him today - he’s been ill and travelled separately from the rest of the squad but insisted on playing. That attitude is spot on and could see him having a future here when many of us (including me) had written him off.

I think it's another example of why I don't think it's ever been true that this set of players don't care. I can understand it but at the same time I think it's a very lazy shout.

[Shukes]

Have to admit, I said on the coach on the way home… he has had four solid weeks where he has quietly gone about his business. Looking a very good player again.

I had him wrong. As long as he continues this form.

[Bailey]

Another who is benefitting from playing deeper. 

Still not sure what he was doing for that first chance though

[Heath]

Holgate looks to be showing the right attitude, and that can only be admired. Let's hope he keeps progressing.

[StevO]

He’s actually looked a decent centre half lately. Can’t believe I’m saying that. 

[dunlopp9987]

Has he been flawless? No. Has he performed far better than most of us ever expected? Absolutely. Fair play to him, big part of our performances the last few weeks

[Zoo 2.0]

 

[dunlopp9987]

1 minute ago, Zoo 2.0 said:

 

Woof, Coors Light really lads?

[Matt]

That header was brilliant. I really hope he's sorted his head out because he's always had the talent. 

[Newty82]

I've always liked him as a character. Has that edge and shithouse potential that you need in a team. A bit like Mina.

Unfortunately, just don't think he can be trusted, talent wise, week after week like Keane and Coleman. 

[Bailey]

I still dont think he is good enough for this league but he has done really well these last couple of games. 

[Romey 1878]

1 hour ago, Matt said:

That header was brilliant. I really hope he's sorted his head out because he's always had the talent. 

Which header?

[Matt]

Just now, Romey 1878 said:

Which header?

Back to Keane

[Aidan]

Just now, Romey 1878 said:

Which header?

I think he means the knock down for our first goal

[Romey 1878]

1 minute ago, Matt said:

Back to Keane

Gotcha. Going apeshit at the goal completely erased that from my memory .

[StevO]

In the last month he’s been one of our better players. To give the lad some credit he gave that interview saying we’re too good and we aren’t going down; he’s backed up his comments on the pitch. I’ve not been a fan of his for some time, but got to give it to him. He’s been brilliant lately. 

[MC11]

He’s been the mainstay of the defence these past couple of months. We’ve had a great run and he deserves massive credit. 
 

KEEP

[Shukes]

On 19/05/2022 at 23:18, Bailey said:

I still dont think he is good enough for this league but he has done really well these last couple of games. 

More than good enough for the league mate. He’s a very good premier league player.

The past five or six games he has gone about his job quietly and unassumingly, and has been one of the better players out there. If he can continue that form he will be the mainstay of our defence next season. If!

[London Blue]

I think the pressure of the season and realisation that he had to perform has made him, I think he will be a very good defender for us now.

[Bailey]

17 minutes ago, Shukes said:

More than good enough for the league mate. He’s a very good premier league player.

The past five or six games he has gone about his job quietly and unassumingly, and has been one of the better players out there. If he can continue that form he will be the mainstay of our defence next season. If!

I dont think he is. 

He is still the same player he was before, he has just had tonnes more protection. Its the same with Keane.

In those games he has still made mistakes, real rookie mistakes too (first chance against Leicester springs to mind) but like any defender he is much more comfortable playing how we have been. 

I assume our intention will be to play more expansive football next season and if we do he will make the same mistakes because he is below average in the league in almost every criteria. 

That doesnt take away from the fact that on the whole he has done much, much better these last few games.

[Bill]

6 hours ago, London Blue said:

I think the pressure of the season and realisation that he had to perform has made him, I think he will be a very good defender for us now.

Yeah, he's shown a great deal of maturity lately and he may become a very good player for us in the future.

[Gwlad]

Another player who has grown through working with Frank and team. 

[SpartyBlue]

5 hours ago, Shukes said:

More than good enough for the league mate. He’s a very good premier league player.

The past five or six games he has gone about his job quietly and unassumingly, and has been one of the better players out there. If he can continue that form he will be the mainstay of our defence next season. If!

It’s an odd one. A couple seasons ago he was fantastic and looked like he was destined for the very top. Then he got injured, had his confidence shaken and the mistakes started to come. He’s been good down the stretch here when it mattered most. I think that, and previous good play has shown us enough that he deserves the chance to keep it going.