Goodison Glory Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Hafnia said: Looks like we are in championship next season…. He’s in, end of season and one year option Where did you read that it is a done deal Haf? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodison Glory Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 23 minutes ago, Aidan said: If he does come in he prefers to play a 343, which I'm not sure we have the personnel to do that with, nor have we ever looked comfortable with a 3 at the back. We don't even have 3 decent CB's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 31 minutes ago, Palfy said: I would give you them but you would only think you know better and put your own numbers down, so you’re just have to remain poor That sounds about right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbanyNYToffee Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 For a very long time I loathed the idea of 3 CB's but now, after watching other competent teams do it well, it's not 3 CB's I loath it's 3 Everton CB's. Michael Keane has shown dozens of times now he cannot function in a back 3. I wonder if we could make it work with Godfrey Mina Branthwaite (holgate as cover). Godfrey and Branthwaite have both shown the ability to take the ball forward and are balanced right/left footed. Godfrey actually strikes me as perfect in a competent back 3. Leave Mina in the middle, he should never be trusted with the ball at his feet. It could also help Patterson and Mykolenko settle in. Gosh darnit would Digne have been perfect for this. dunlopp9987 and Btay 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbanyNYToffee Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 Just now, AlbanyNYToffee said: For a very long time I loathed the idea of 3 CB's but now, after watching other competent teams do it well, it's not 3 CB's I loath it's 3 Everton CB's. Michael Keane has shown dozens of times now he cannot function in a back 3. I wonder if we could make it work with Godfrey Mina Branthwaite (holgate as cover). Godfrey and Branthwaite have both shown the ability to take the ball forward and are balanced right/left footed. Godfrey actually strikes me as perfect in a competent back 3. Leave Mina in the middle, he should never be trusted with the ball at his feet. It could also help Patterson and Mykolenko settle in. Gosh darnit would Digne have been perfect for this. P.S. we've often used back 3/5 however you want to define it out of necessity, whether it be to cover for injuries or the manager thought it might help us tactically for a particular game. We've never committed to it over a long period. Hopefully doing so would solve us leaking goals. Big risk though in a relegations scrap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 5 minutes ago, AlbanyNYToffee said: For a very long time I loathed the idea of 3 CB's but now, after watching other competent teams do it well, it's not 3 CB's I loath it's 3 Everton CB's. Michael Keane has shown dozens of times now he cannot function in a back 3. I wonder if we could make it work with Godfrey Mina Branthwaite (holgate as cover). Godfrey and Branthwaite have both shown the ability to take the ball forward and are balanced right/left footed. Godfrey actually strikes me as perfect in a competent back 3. Leave Mina in the middle, he should never be trusted with the ball at his feet. It could also help Patterson and Mykolenko settle in. Gosh darnit would Digne have been perfect for this. Godfrey would be fine with his pace and aggressive tackling, I’ve not seen enough of Branthwaite to no how quick he is but if he does possess pace then it could work, stick Mina in the middle to direct with the other 2 doing the running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWooney Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 I agree it's not a terrible formation if it's done right, under Rafa no only was it not done enough for the players to really settle with it but also we had so little of the ball that it just turned into a back 5 where we allowed them to push on further towards the goal than if we had an extra body in midfield. The issue for me if someone came in and did this now is they would need to implement this very well and get us more on the ball than we were also to avoid it looking like the same mistake Rafa had with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWooney Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 former EPL winner Ranieri is available! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 47 minutes ago, Aidan said: Just done a bit more research and apparently he only plays 343 or 351, and hardly strays away from this. If he comes here it sounds like this is the formation we will implement. Also likes a high press and developing youth players. Also likes his outside CBs to carry the ball up the field and join the attack with the CM covering him, whilst pushing his wing backs high and wide. Sounds like he's absolutely perfect for the players we already have... not. barryj 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BedfordBlue Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 17 minutes ago, FairWooney said: I agree it's not a terrible formation if it's done right, under Rafa no only was it not done enough for the players to really settle with it but also we had so little of the ball that it just turned into a back 5 where we allowed them to push on further towards the goal than if we had an extra body in midfield. The issue for me if someone came in and did this now is they would need to implement this very well and get us more on the ball than we were also to avoid it looking like the same mistake Rafa had with it. Rafa would play 5 at the back and still have 2 wingers leaving nothing in the middle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 39 minutes ago, FairWooney said: former EPL winner Ranieri is available! Was gonna say the same! Enough pedigree to please the masses?! Palfy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 I don't like 5 at the back for a few reasons. The first is that I think you need a quite specialist group of players to do it well. Keane is a no, Godfrey' positioning is all over the place so he is a no, Holgate is just a no and then that leave only Mina who I would only want as the central man. Your full backs then need to provide all the width. If they arent very good with the ball then it doesnt really help nor if they dont push high enough because otherwise you have no width in the attacking third. If you have no width in the attacking third, it makes it much easier to be marked and close things down. You just have to look at Chelsea. Their two best wingbacks get injured and their pretty decent back-ups dont offer the same threat and all of a sudden they aren't as potent. I also just generally dont see why you would want to play with three CBs? As a CB myself, why would you want to see a comparatively limited footballer that replacing an attacking player that can score and create goals? Romey 1878 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 3 hours ago, Aidan said: Just to touch on that it's difficult to see how we fit Doucoure and Allan into a 343, as well as Keane. Gomes is the type of player I'd like to see in this style, but he's not up to scratch. I don't think Mina would be too unsuited to being an outside CB, as well as possibly Godfrey and I want to say Holgate, but I doubt it. Also our wing backs are both untested, and Coleman is passed it now. Two positions I'd imagine which are quite important in this set up. The 2 inside forwards do suit us though with a fully fit squad, Gray and Richarlison being a good fit there. Overall I don't think our squad is suitable to that sort of set up to be honest. It doesn't seem like a sensible appointment. Allan and Doucoure would pretty much the play the same as in the 442 but still struggle against a 3 man… CB’s would be Godfrey right, Mina central and hopefully Branthwaite on the left. If not I would see Grodfrey & Holgate wide with either Mina/Keane central. Whilst their ability is still suspect it would suit Patterson perfectly and from what I’ve seen Niels could be perfect for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Bailey said: I don't like 5 at the back for a few reasons. The first is that I think you need a quite specialist group of players to do it well. Keane is a no, Godfrey' positioning is all over the place so he is a no, Holgate is just a no and then that leave only Mina who I would only want as the central man. Your full backs then need to provide all the width. If they arent very good with the ball then it doesnt really help nor if they dont push high enough because otherwise you have no width in the attacking third. If you have no width in the attacking third, it makes it much easier to be marked and close things down. You just have to look at Chelsea. Their two best wingbacks get injured and their pretty decent back-ups dont offer the same threat and all of a sudden they aren't as potent. I also just generally dont see why you would want to play with three CBs? As a CB myself, why would you want to see a comparatively limited footballer that replacing an attacking player that can score and create goals? I want to say having 3 Cb’s will help us defend corners but I just know we will still concede them plaidharper, rtaylor91, AlbanyNYToffee and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Newty82 Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 Could be worse...could be Watford. Roy fuckin Hodgson. He must be 92 by now! The only club that pips us for laughing stock in recent years. Romey 1878 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Palfy Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, Newty82 said: Could be worse...could be Watford. Roy fuckin Hodgson. He must be 92 by now! The only club that pips us for laughing stock in recent years. I know we both come out to Z cars but that’s were the comparison has to end, please I can’t take anymore of this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 14 minutes ago, Newty82 said: Could be worse...could be Watford. Roy fuckin Hodgson. He must be 92 by now! The only club that pips us for laughing stock in recent years. In fairness, they have acted quickly before the press can have all the world and its crap managers associated with the job. And actually I would consider Ranieri till the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunlopp9987 Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 58 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: Would be thrilled with Kovac DownUnderToff and Sibdane 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 Just get the fuck on with it please, we need someone in place before the Brentford game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted January 25, 2022 Report Share Posted January 25, 2022 7 hours ago, Goodison Glory said: Where did you read that it is a done deal Haf? A few on twitter quoted it. Seemed genuine…. Let’s hope not. Odds went crashing too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiku Posted January 25, 2022 Report Share Posted January 25, 2022 Nico all the way. He's been successful at Frankfurt, Bayern and Monaco. Btay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makis Posted January 25, 2022 Report Share Posted January 25, 2022 5 hours ago, Haiku said: Nico all the way. He's been successful at Frankfurt, Bayern and Monaco. Garcia is a good candidate as well. Sibdane 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWooney Posted January 25, 2022 Report Share Posted January 25, 2022 most managers sound good in tactical reviews but this is quite an interesting review of his Kovac's tactics https://breakingthelines.com/tactical-analysis/tactical-analysis-niko-kovacs-monaco/ Obviously need to get it working with the players but like that he was also working with a very young squad, hopefully another that would be keen to make use of our young talents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUnderToff Posted January 25, 2022 Report Share Posted January 25, 2022 32 minutes ago, FairWooney said: most managers sound good in tactical reviews but this is quite an interesting review of his Kovac's tactics https://breakingthelines.com/tactical-analysis/tactical-analysis-niko-kovacs-monaco/ Obviously need to get it working with the players but like that he was also working with a very young squad, hopefully another that would be keen to make use of our young talents We'd be doing very well to get Kovac. It's him or Favre for mine. Both of them are polyglots as well. Only concern with Kovac is whether he can save a sinking ship (halfway through a season), whereas Favre has done it previously. Think Kovac is probably the better long term option though. Sibdane 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffRob Posted January 25, 2022 Report Share Posted January 25, 2022 Kovac is supposed to be an extreme disciplinarian. How are the players going to cope with this? Also read that he is looking for a 'better' job and is quite will to wait until the summer. I suppose we will just throw the last of any money at him. With Rafa only being 6months in to a 3 year £7m per year contract, I am guessing a good chuck of the Digne money will now be spent on outgoing manager compensation and incoming manager wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted January 25, 2022 Report Share Posted January 25, 2022 I’d go with kovac. I want a disciplined manager, fucking sick of the blasé attitudes we have got so used to seeing. Btay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted January 25, 2022 Report Share Posted January 25, 2022 18 minutes ago, Hafnia said: I’d go with kovac. I want a disciplined manager, fucking sick of the blasé behaviour we have got so used to seeing. Fixed it for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted January 25, 2022 Report Share Posted January 25, 2022 9 minutes ago, StevO said: Fixed it for you. Choose your attitude choose your behaviour. Look at the behaviour to assess the attitude. a player can play crap…. That’s the behaviour….. that player could be Dennis straq…., you can’t question his attitude, he’s been crap cos he’s not good enough. The other player could be Andre Gomes who just let a player run past him and we concede… that’s a shit attitude Doesn’t require fixing Steve, just requires you to understand. StevO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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